Ethics (animal) and shit.

[Akzle]

i dont know how many care about this (obviously not enough, or the jews wouldnt do it) but i'm'a compile a list of 'ethical' companies. And shit.
Nau, theres levels of ethical.
Ie, until my next chooks come on the lay, i buy 'barn eggs -free to roam scratch and perch', they 2 buck cheaper than free range, and i reckon ethical enough.
I will not buy imported pork, or any 'fresh' produce from the us (google us pork shit, its sick. Fuken jew sick).
Similarly, chinas unregulated agricultureconomoney gets a wide berth.
Right nau, omak meat gets the tick across the board (only by word of mouth), being a shop. Farmers and growers markets are good for people who care.
but, i will be contacting everywhere that sells produce and sticking it up here for anyone that gives a fuck.

[george formby]

i dont know how many care about this (obviously not enough, or the jews wouldnt do it) but i'm'a compile a list of 'ethical' companies. And shit.
Nau, theres levels of ethical.
Ie, until my next chooks come on the lay, i buy 'barn eggs -free to roam scratch and perch', they 2 buck cheaper than free range, and i reckon ethical enough.
I will not buy imported pork, or any 'fresh' produce from the us (google us pork shit, its sick. Fuken jew sick).
Similarly, chinas unregulated agricultureconomoney gets a wide berth.
Right nau, omak meat gets the tick across the board (only by word of mouth), being a shop. Farmers and growers markets are good for people who care.
but, i will be contacting everywhere that sells produce and sticking it up here for anyone that gives a fuck.

I know the proprietor of Omaks, bloody good bloke. Dealt with him 15 years now.

Both the butchers here in Kawakawa do a good job, as does Macs at Moerewa, straight from the meat works.
Some of the local growers up here, er, market gardeners, will make your ears bleed talking about moon phase, chook shit and that bloke Steiner or some such. They do have prodigious vegetables I must admit. There is a huuuuuge sign on the overtaking lane north of Moerewa advertising raw milk. Must get the number. Mahoe farmhouse cheeses are great, too. Homeopathic treated, massaged & fondled Jersey herd. Also last years #1 cheesemaker. Well done that lad.

[Fastmark]

Well I for one give a fuck
Barn eggs as you say is ethical enough, free range if I feeling flush
Chicken must be free range. I've been to many factory farms and it will put you off for life
Lamb, beef etc. I think until told otherwise are OK, although I do buy locally produced whenever possible

And lets not forget the vegetables, I like to think I buy ethically there to, no un-necessary cruelty.

Would be interested to see how your list progresses.

[george formby]

We have happy chicken eggs, spoilt rotten chickens actually. Come from a couple in Russell, they drop off a dozen a week for us. They are just going off the lay about now.
Thinkin of getting some goats to keep my weeds under control & I do love a goat curry. Just a bit concerned the dog might like goat, too.

[Grashopper]

In Taupo get "Taupo Beef" (several restaurants offer it and the butcher at the Spa Rd roundabout)

They are currently running it as a trial here. The beef is produced in a manner that protects the Lake Taupo's water quality. It is grass fed and free-range, and tastes great.

For more info http://agriculturalemissions.blogspo...eef-story.html

[RDJ]

i dont know how many care about this (obviously not enough, or the jews wouldnt do it) but i'm'a compile a list of 'ethical' companies. And shit.
Nau, theres levels of ethical.
Ie, until my next chooks come on the lay, i buy 'barn eggs -free to roam scratch and perch', they 2 buck cheaper than free range, and i reckon ethical enough.
I will not buy imported pork, or any 'fresh' produce from the us (google us pork shit, its sick. Fuken jew sick).
Similarly, chinas unregulated agricultureconomoney gets a wide berth.
Right nau, omak meat gets the tick across the board (only by word of mouth), being a shop. Farmers and growers markets are good for people who care.

Levels of ethics? How does that work? If you're saying e.g. animals must not be bred and killed for food or warehoused to supply food then... it makes no ethical difference if the animals are given 5-star treatment throughout their lives and then killed humanely without any fear or pain. Now if you were to argue that there is a moral principle not to encourage unnecessary cruelty, I would agree with you; but ethics do not come in layers.

[Akzle]

If you're saying e.g. animals must not be bred and killed for food or warehoused to supply food

im only saying half of that. Youre adding a lot between the lines.

Now if you were to argue that there is a moral principle not to encourage unnecessary cruelty, I would agree with you; but ethics do not come in layers.

yes. Level of ethics.
Im happy with my post at the top of the food chain.
I do not differentiate between plant life and animal life. It is all life. I am part of all life (have you given up with the hippy shit yet)
i can, do and will kill other things, for my benefit. That is my life.

[slowpoke]

Levels of ethics? How does that work? If you're saying e.g. animals must not be bred and killed for food or warehoused to supply food then... it makes no ethical difference if the animals are given 5-star treatment throughout their lives and then killed humanely without any fear or pain. Now if you were to argue that there is a moral principle not to encourage unnecessary cruelty, I would agree with you; but ethics do not come in layers.

If that's seriously your thinking then my typing is as wasted as the oxygen you are breathing: that is one seriously fucked up attitude. What you are saying is there is absolutely no difference between the Japanese who worked/starved/beat/tortured prisoners to death on the Thai-Burma Railway and the Allied soldiers who did what they had to do on the field of battle. I'd love to see you walk into an RSA and espouse that theory. Better still I'd love to see someone with your attitude treated in as casual a fashion as you would other people, I mean they're gonna die anyway right? So one can only hope you are treated to the "life" your attitude deserves.

Simple theory for life: to be worthy of respect you need to be respectful yourself.

But as you are obviously not the least bit respectful: welcome to the land of "ignore".

[bogan]

If that's seriously your thinking then my typing is as wasted as the oxygen you are breathing: that is one seriously fucked up attitude. What you are saying is there is absolutely no difference between the Japanese who worked/starved/beat/tortured prisoners to death on the Thai-Burma Railway and the Allied soldiers who did what they had to do on the field of battle. I'd love to see you walk into an RSA and espouse that theory. Better still I'd love to see someone with your attitude treated in as casual a fashion as you would other people, I mean they're gonna die anyway right? So one can only hope you are treated to the "life" your attitude deserves.

Simple theory for life: to be worthy of respect you need to be respectful yourself.

But as you are obviously not the least bit respectful: welcome to the land of "ignore".

The way I read it, he went all grammar nazi on the ethics/morality definition; as some would say what the OP is discussing is about the morality of the food production, not the ethics of it. Though I don't see the need for that level of nitpickery cos both words mean the same fucking thing in common useage.

[RDJ]

If that's seriously your thinking then my typing is as wasted as the oxygen you are breathing: that is one seriously fucked up attitude. What you are saying is there is absolutely no difference between the Japanese who worked/starved/beat/tortured prisoners to death on the Thai-Burma Railway and the Allied soldiers who did what they had to do on the field of battle. I'd love to see you walk into an RSA and espouse that theory. Better still I'd love to see someone with your attitude treated in as casual a fashion as you would other people, I mean they're gonna die anyway right? So one can only hope you are treated to the "life" your attitude deserves.

Simple theory for life: to be worthy of respect you need to be respectful yourself.

But as you are obviously not the least bit respectful: welcome to the land of "ignore".

Wow. What you're saying I'm saying is not what I'm saying - you clearly overlook any difference between animals and humans... Best I am on your ignore list.

[RDJ]

The way I read it, he went all grammar nazi on the ethics/morality definition; as some would say what the OP is discussing is about the morality of the food production, not the ethics of it. Though I don't see the need for that level of nitpickery cos both words mean the same fucking thing in common useage.

Hmmm. IMO to discuss the concept of ethics it's best to understand what the word means. The reason our language offers different words to describe the concepts of ethics and morality is because they are, well, different concepts...

[Tazz]

You can get raw milk in Tua Marina here, bring your own bottle and charged by how much you take or $2-ish for a 2L glass (reusable ) one from them. They are doing yoghurt soon (thank fawk! that bio farm stuff is the only one without sugar but is expensive as here in Picton)

Saw something a few years ago on Harris Meats in Cheviot, they don't even truck their beef if possible (they believe it stresses them/is so traumatic it affects the meat for good). Was a good watch actually.

Barn hens and free range are (apparently) worse off psychologically than battery hens (in large commercial operations). It turns out that they pick on each other as well as us picking on em. Who woulda thunk
Not saying to buy battery, but if it is something you are worried about small free range farm eggs are what you should be buying.

Also something I thought was cool (but haven't seen around in a while) was a chart showing the availability of different species of fish in supermarkets. It also accounted for bycatch rather than just abundance (or lack of).

I just buy frozen veggies (sister is a food science freak and said if you don't grow em, frozen is the way to go) but have never looked into the spray side of them (although I know they mint the crap peas that possibly wouldn't otherwise make the grade so stay away from those). But that is more a health thing than ethical, same with the milk.

[Akzle]

Hmmm. IMO to discuss the concept of ethics it's best to understand what the word means. The reason our language offers different words to describe the concepts of ethics and morality is because they are, well, different concepts...

as much as i love debating semantics, and i do, :

ethics [ eth-iks ] plural noun
1. a system of moral principles: the
ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in
respect to a particular class of human
actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual:
His ethics forbade betrayal of a
confidnce.

morality [ muh-ral-i-tee, maw- ] noun [plural mo·ral·i·ties]
1. conformity to the rules of right
conduct; moral or virtuous conduct. 2. moral quality or character. 3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.

For all but the most pedantic discussion, 'ethics' encompases morality.

[slofox]

I don't to buy cage eggs. Barn eggs or free range only.

I don't buy imported product if there is a locally produced alternative available.

's about it really. I think.

[Flip]

I worked in the gas industry and supplied fuel to the battery chicken industry. Now days I wont buy anything but free range eggs. I also prefer to know where the eggs come from and not get them from the supermarket.

I grew up on a dairy farm and I worked in the diary support industry and I think that about 2/3rds of corporate dairy farms are cow concentration camps. Additionally 9/10ths of them are polluting bastards who are living and operating like they live in the industrial revolution.

I grew up on raw milk, saying that I see no problem with pasturing the milk. Its just a heat process to steralise the germs.

I have visited a few barn dairy farms in the US and see no problem keeping stock inside especially when it is hot and or very cold. It also gives the opportunity to collect the effluent and anarobically digest it to make natural gas.