Friday Night Rants?

[Bonez]

NO, DO NOT contact the CEO. Can’t tell you how many self righteous Nazis that cc email the CEO every time their knickers in a twist. (It’s a boomer/Gen X thing)

That is if the CEO Executive PA bothers to alert him/her on your email...may just end up in junk mailbox.....

Darling it works and I've done it a number of times. The thing is to get those further down the line to take notice. It works. Even telephoned them directly. Had the opposite happen as well It's called "rocking the boat" when no one in your direct chain of command takes notice. Some folk just don't have the guts to do it.

You see personnel health and safer is a big responsibility to take on. It's no tea party. Most folk will shy away from taking up that position in a company. Good on Dangerous for taking it up.

You better get or your Boomer hatred. If it wasn't for us you wouldfn't be alive

[Dean]

Darling it works and I've done it a number of times. The thing is to get those further down the line to take notice. It works. Even telephoned them directly. Had the opposite happen as well It's called "rocking the boat" when no one in your direct chain of command takes notice. Some folk just don't have the guts to do it.

You better get or your Boomer hatred. If it wasn't for us you wouldfn't be alive

What steps had you taken before you contacted the CEO?
This is the defining point.

- Did you get HR involved?
- Did you consult with a colleague or mentor?
- How long was the process of back and forth with your direct manager?
- Was the matter so serious that it was incapacitating your ability to carry out your work?

[Drew]

Meh, I'd tell you to fuck off as well.

[jim.cox]

And trouble employees tend to get rinsed in “restructures”.

Respect the communication pathways which are in place for a reason.

If you feel your direct manager is incapable to deal with your complaint then explain to him that you need to escalate the issue to the next ladder and then do so.

Some pearls of wisdom there.

Also keep your local HR manager copied in on the correspondence - they will ensure due diligence, due & timely process & fair play is taking place.

But I'll call "Bullshit" on that. Never seen it happen. Fair play is NOT their brief

Keep everything in email & backup your emails to a USB (not just to your work computer).

And again very good advice. Keep a private copy of everything on a separate device that is not company owned

[Bonez]

I see Dean deleted the bit about restructuring to get rid of the useless workers. I my experience they get rid of the good hard working ones, those that will go to work if asked on their days off, the ones without qualification certificates and keep the useless suck ups that do.

[eldog]

about restructuring to get rid of the useless workers. I my experience they get rid of the good hard working ones, those that will go to work if asked on their days off, the ones without qualification certificates and keep the useless suck ups that do.

I have to agree with you there, I have been a recent witness to such and event (at another company).....

The 2 WORKERS - yes they actually cared for the work they put out and made an effort to improve things for those around them.

Got the heave ho, out the door. Cost cutting and all that from Covid...(yeah right - panic because they think there will be downturn-not so far)



Couple of weeks pass, then middle management finds out who was doing all the work, tells me they regret giving them the push (a lot)



Upper management wont accept it as they don't see what is actually happening, or care, only if they are affected.


Now they are going to replace them with new people (this is about the tenth time)

now I am waiting to train more people....


the useless ones are still there

[Bonez]

Another thing that can be done is create a paper form to record what ppe an individual has been issued. At the top is the company name and department the individual works in, sign on date persons full name, employee no. if the comp issues one, Keep them in a folder split up into the various departments the company is split up in that location.

Create a list of all the ppe the individual is issued like:

Safety glasses/googles
Safety gloves
Overalls usually a couple/three sets because for dry cleaning rotation. With disposable ones held in stores and issued as and when needed
Other safety clothing such as Fuoro vests. A half dozen marked and held for visitor use and can be of a different colour then the workers ones.
And what ever other gear needs to be issued to that person to carry out there job, such as serial numbered windy drills.
Ear defenders. Get a brand/model you can buy ear cup hygiene kits for. A box of ear plugs was kept in each department and at the workplace entrance.
Breathing masks. With box disposable ones in the departments or issued from stores as and when needed


To the right have a column date issued and date returned if it needs to be such as the windy drill. A column for the persons intials to varify they have been issued the kit.

Down the bottom have and area for their full signature, Date signed on to the company and date sighed off. A signature of the stores person receiving the compulsory returned items. This was mainly just the the tools and overalls. Smelly,used safety boots, tattered gloves have no need to be kept. If a person was only at the the company for only a month or less they had to return their boots. These came in handy to issue to visitors temporally.

Get HR to have a line on there signing on and off forms to have a line for ppe/tool issue/return.

Worked a treat in my previous work place. Stores kept the forms/folder in a safe place and issued the kit. Give the person a docket to go the likes of Blackwoods and buy the boots on account to ensure try are comfortable and fit properly. Have a set price, we had $75 which covered a wide range because of the trade discount. We got nice soft shoaled John Bull steel caps with ankle padding for that. If the person wanted something more expensive they payed the balance. Make an allowance for extra dosh for those with a rather large shoe size. Also if the boots are uncomfortable the issue is theirs not the Companies. The person has to give the receipt to stores once the boots are ordered so accounts can match up the purchase with the monthly billing. We had a policy to replace safey boots every 12 months or when the person can show physically show the the boots are fucked. Different department wore out boots more than others. The same went for overalls. Safety glasses/ gloves etc were replace on a one to one basis through stores.The Welding/General Engineering shop was the worse because of hot metal being trod on and dealing with a lot of steel/ali product manufacturing.

Later on we had a thing called The Vault. This was off site online database used by Stores, H&S and HR of to record individuals and incidents. The Company could hire different modules if needed and is charged a monthly or yearly fee depending on the contract.There are various access classes to access different features/modules. Users were given usernames and passwords. We were forced to use it to record ppe issue as well which it was never designed for or had a module for. Being an online application when the the site went off line or the companies internet connection went tits up you couldn't access it. The paper record was kept to cover these eventualities and worked far better than the database as you could alter it to suite your current and middle management were control freaks wrt using The Vault.

Any way I hope that give you some ideas Dangerous.

Bonez

Oh I almost forget. Have a foam rubber base ball bat handy so you can hit the idiots with it. Does no harm but makes you feel a lot better. Keep it under the stores counter so they can use it as well. Show the new arrivals it when they first sign in and tell them what it is for Health and Safety reasons Tinsel can be handy as well as its had to rget rid of easily, easily visible by co-workers and they can laugh at them.

[Dean]

Another thing that can be done is create a paper form to record what ppe an individual has been issued. At the top is the company name and department the individual works in, sign on date persons full name, employee no. if the comp issues one, Keep them in a folder split up into the various departments the company is split up in that location.

Create a list of all the ppe the individual is issued like:
.

You can create this list on or on the back of your pre start/tool box talk form, why;

1) Pre start/toolbox form is a recognised document with Worksafe.
2) Form contains individuals signatures.
3) Can address the list in morning pre starts, quick count & check on safety gear, less double handling of information (not going back to the office to create your own excel sheet then approaching guys to sign it separately).
4) By doing this when you identify an individual does not have the correct PPE gear then put that down as a HAZARD. “Slips trips and falls- no work boots”. This will cover your arse and be a platform to address these issues to everyone prior to work commencing.

BTW nice novel mate.

[Bonez]

You can create this list on or on the back of your pre start/tool box talk form, why;

1) Pre start/toolbox form is a recognised document with Worksafe.
2) Form contains individuals signatures.
3) Can address the list in morning pre starts, quick count & check on safety gear, less double handling of information (not going back to the office to create your own excel sheet then approaching guys to sign it separately).
4) By doing this when you identify an individual does not have the correct PPE gear then put that down as a HAZARD. “Slips trips and falls- no work boots”. This will cover your arse and be a platform to address these issues to everyone prior to work commencing.

BTW nice novel mate.

Cheers. Being a Health and Safety Officer is a thankless task. Department managers should be backing them up. It's in their best interest to do so. In an outfit with 6-7 departments scattered in various locations it is impossible for the H&S guy/gal to check everyone. Also the H&S guy/gal generally has it real job to get on with.

All Dangerous should need to do is tell the guy he needs to wear safety shoes/boots then report him to the department manager and the department manager just take action to sort it out. The guy infringing is not working for Dangerous but the department he is working in.

The work place should have a sign up as you enter it or the work area that it is a hazardous area also and ppe is required before entering.

Some do it just for the extra dosh and are mostly useless.

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[Dean]

I fucking give up... ok so one of my rolls is health n safety... so for the third time I asked a worker to take his jandles... sorry I mean sneakers off and put safety boots on right... well he lost it, apparently Im some sort of cunt nobody likes and he told me several times to fuck off... as if Im bloody deff and didnt here the first time...

well he works for the same company so I bleated to the boss ... hey its the boss that will tune the fuck out of me if this guy is caught by a hierarchy, cos I didnt sort it... BUT NO instead the boss tears me a new one cos Im not to police the sites we run but II should have sat said fuck face down and discussed politely how come he wont wear safety boots... is it cos he finds them uncomfortable, is it the colour of them, are the laces to tight... WHAT THE FUCK AM I A PSYCHAIST NOW ...

Why oh why are people so god damn fucking precious these days, softer than a limp jelly fish... fuck its sad... the worlds fucked, maybe covid here to sort the week out...

I dabble in Psychology within work settings.

Its clear to me your workplace think you’re a cunt - nothing to do with safety.
Quite a toxic environment to be in.
I’ve done a similar case study.

If they respected & liked you they wouldn’t pull this BS on you & your boss would have backed you up - that’s the god honest truth.

My advice

A)Befriend them on Monday morning, take them & boss out for coffee - good neutral environment to have a calm conversation. Use collaborative language “we, us, as a team”. Ie “we all want to get back to our families”. Doesn’t hurt to use emotive language “when you do this it upsets myself and let’s the team down”. Sit down right next to the perpetrator - uncomfortably close, this should minimise any outbursts from this person.

B)When you call these individuals encourage small talk before you address work matters (foreplay) “how’s the kids how’s the wife”.

C)Every morning hand him something but say nothing, just put something out in front of him to grab like a hammer. It’s a subconscious trick to assert dominance & respect but effective with repetition. In the first few days he may look at you weird, over a week he will reach out and grab the item unknowingly being submissive to you. This sets you a platform with him. (Many more other tricks to do btw).

D)Don’t be a cunt.

[Bonez]

I dabble in Psychology within work settings.

Its clear to me your workplace think you’re a cunt - nothing to do with safety.
Quite a toxic environment to be in.
I’ve done a similar case study.

If they respected & liked you they wouldn’t pull this BS on you & your boss would have backed you up - that’s the god honest truth.

My advice

A)Befriend them on Monday morning, take them & boss out for coffee - good neutral environment to have a calm conversation. Use collaborative language “we, us, as a team”. Ie “we all want to get back to our families”. Doesn’t hurt to use emotive language “when you do this it upsets myself and let’s the team down”. Sit down right next to the perpetrator - uncomfortably close, this should minimise any outbursts from this person.

B)When you call these individuals encourage small talk before you address work matters (foreplay) “how’s the kids how’s the wife”.

C)Every morning hand him something but say nothing, just put something out in front of him to grab like a hammer. It’s a subconscious trick to assert dominance & respect but effective with repetition. In the first few days he may look at you weird, over a week he will reach out and grab the item unknowingly being submissive to you. This sets you a platform with him. (Many more other tricks to do btw).

D)Don’t be a cunt.

You have no idea how Dangerous approach hthe guy those three times. Or the boss for that matter. So are making assumptions based on nothing at all.

Being touchy feelly does not work in my experience.

[Drew]

You have no idea how Dangerous approach hthe guy those three times. So are making assumptions based on nothing at all.

Being touchy feelly does not work in my experience.

Nor does anyone else on here, but most ya'll are assuming he was courteous and polite about it. My money is on the opposite being true.

[Bonez]

Nor does anyone else on here, but most ya'll are assuming he was courteous and polite about it. My money is on the opposite being true.

He does come across in his posts as an angry ginger. As I've stated in other posts I've got some pretty red and pink pills the will sort that out fairly smartly.

Some folk are just not cut out for H&S duties. Despite their good intentions.

[Dean]

Copy his boss. Suggest perhaps they would like to choose someone else who will ignore transgressions which will make things easier.

We’re currently in the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression & 2008 GFC and you advise someone on threatening their employer to leave? In the wake of mass job losses and uncertainty?

Dave......
I refer “The Gambler”:

You’ve got to know when to hold em,
Know when to fold em,
Know when to walk away,
Know when to run

[Autech]

Lets face it no one likes health and safety.

I've worked in many many workplaces (my line of work beings be into different businesses every week), I've found the HnS people that talk common sense and act like they don't like doing HnS do fine.
The ones that actually enjoy all the fucked HnS shit we are forced to do are universally hated by all.

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