Friday Night Rants?

[Woodman]

I'm with Dangerous on this one. Test all the rally leavers as a courtesy before they are out and riding. Preventative positive policing.

Do you think that is a good use of Police resources? Looking after a bunch of motorcyclists who are not sure whether they have had too much to drink or not.

[neels]

Do you think that is a good use of Police resources? Looking after a bunch of motorcyclists who are not sure whether they have had too much to drink or not.

Yes.

If they are interested in road safety, they'd be happy to check that people were not intoxicated before operating a motor vehicle on a public road, as they have at the same rally previously.

Over the years at different rallies it has varied between testing before you go to parking the booze bus a few hundred metres up the road and you take your chances. One is positive policing, the other is definitely negative and doesn't help public perception.

If the police can make themselves available for traffic control at public events, or spend the day at the cricket or at a rugby match to deal with the pissed punters, surely a couple of hours in the morning to keep drunks off the road is not unreasonable.

As for the WOF and rego checks on the way in, that is just revenue gathering......

[SVboy]

Yes.

If they are interested in road safety, they'd be happy to check that people were not intoxicated before operating a motor vehicle on a public road, as they have at the same rally previously.

Over the years at different rallies it has varied between testing before you go to parking the booze bus a few hundred metres up the road and you take your chances. One is positive policing, the other is definitely negative and doesn't help public perception.

If the police can make themselves available for traffic control at public events, or spend the day at the cricket or at a rugby match to deal with the pissed punters, surely a couple of hours in the morning to keep drunks off the road is not unreasonable.

As for the WOF and rego checks on the way in, that is just revenue gathering......

Thank you Neels, saved me a reply.

[Scuba_Steve]

Do you think that is a good use of Police resources? Looking after a bunch of motorcyclists who are not sure whether they have had too much to drink or not.

The police & their resources are already there, its' the difference between them stopping potentially over the limit people from entering the roadways & instead advising they go back to sleep or walk somewhere for breakfast/brunch etc or making dat cash moneys for their masters
The former is positive Safety the latter is negative $$$aftey

[AllanB]

I'm with Dangerous on this one. Test all the rally leavers as a courtesy before they are out and riding. Preventative positive policing.

Motorcyclists are not special, they don't sit in the entrance of every holiday campground in NZ testing drivers leaving - and from experience a F load of drink is consumed every night in camping grounds over summer!

Take it a bit further. Cops testing patrons as they leave every establishment that serves alcohol.


Actually with all the global attention to vehicular safety and mandatory this and that I am surprised the EU has not passed a law that all vehicles must have a testing system that will lock the engine cold if you test over the prescribed limit.

[husaberg]

The police & their resources are already there, its' the difference between them stopping potentially over the limit people from entering the roadways & instead advising they go back to sleep or walk somewhere for breakfast/brunch etc or making y

Only in this case. They brought the special TAG unit down 400kms plus overnight accomidation.
A couple of local cops doing free screening would have been a lot cheaper. Plus just as effective.

[Woodman]

Motorcyclists are not special, they don't sit in the entrance of every holiday campground in NZ testing drivers leaving - and from experience a F load of drink is consumed every night in camping grounds over summer!

Take it a bit further. Cops testing patrons as they leave every establishment that serves alcohol.


Actually with all the global attention to vehicular safety and mandatory this and that I am surprised the EU has not passed a law that all vehicles must have a testing system that will lock the engine cold if you test over the prescribed limit.

Too true, I have never heard anyone that has been done for DIC complain that the Police weren't in the pub carpark breathalysing them before they got in their car.

[SVboy]

Motorcyclists are not special, they don't sit in the entrance of every holiday campground in NZ testing drivers leaving - and from experience a F load of drink is consumed every night in camping grounds over summer!

Take it a bit further. Cops testing patrons as they leave every establishment that serves alcohol.


Actually with all the global attention to vehicular safety and mandatory this and that I am surprised the EU has not passed a law that all vehicles must have a testing system that will lock the engine cold if you test over the prescribed limit.

A resourcing thing perhaps? Your ideas sound good. The idea of testing happening outside any venue serving alcohol is great in theory but obviously unrealistic. Think of the carnage saved. How ever, a discrete event such as a rally is realistic for testing. As D said , a friendly pre ride check before you leave the rally, good for risk mitigation and popo/ rider relations.

[dangerous]

which proves my point of before.

you know the rules you minging cunt. if you've been drinking, don't ride. how fucken hard is that? no point in shitting on cops for DOING their fuken JOB.

I am not... I are shitting on there bosses that make the rules, from their air conditioned offices...

Motorcyclists are not special, they don't sit in the entrance of every holiday campground in NZ testing drivers leaving - and from experience a F load of drink is consumed every night in camping grounds over summer!

Take it a bit further. Cops testing patrons as they leave every establishment that serves alcohol.

no.... dont be silly... just special evnts were booze licences are required...

Actually with all the global attention to vehicular safety and mandatory this and that I am surprised the EU has not passed a law that all vehicles must have a testing system that will lock the engine cold if you test over the prescribed limit.

OHHH now thats going to work well on my Itialian POS aint it...

Only in this case. They brought the special TAG unit down 400kms plus overnight accomidation.
A couple of local cops doing free screening would have been a lot cheaper. Plus just as effective.

just want to high light this quote...

[pritch]

they don't sit in the entrance of every holiday campground in NZ testing drivers leaving - .

They set themselves up outside the local racecourse as people were leaving a few weeks back . Did brisk business apparently.

[scumdog]

A resourcing thing perhaps? Your ideas sound good. The idea of testing happening outside any venue serving alcohol is great in theory but obviously unrealistic. Think of the carnage saved. How ever, a discrete event such as a rally is realistic for testing. As D said , a friendly pre ride check before you leave the rally, good for risk mitigation and popo/ rider relations.

With all the testing you would have them do you would have to get in early in the queue.
Those that gave no reading would get through fairly quickly
Those that gave an indication of alcohol would have to wait while a tube was attached to the testing device and than blow through it
And even if it came back as a pass there's still over a minute tied up in that excercise, multiply that by the number wanting to be tested in the queue and you will have a long waiting line. (The cops would have maybe six - eight devices)

How about people just taking responsibility for their drinking? And maybe buying their own tester?
It wouldn't stand up in Court as a defence if the Cop test says youre over the limit - but hey at least it would give you an indication as to how schickered you are

[scumdog]

Only in this case. They brought the special TAG unit down 400kms plus overnight accomidation.
A couple of local cops doing free screening would have been a lot cheaper. Plus just as effective.

See my previous post - imagine 'a couiple of local cops' trying to cope with the rabble leaving the March Hare!

[SVboy]

Good points well made...by a real osifer no less.

[buellbabe]

Agreed, if ya don't understand the drink driving message by now ya never will.

Oh the message has been well and truly received...WE were in bed early...no heavy drinking the night before a ride...

The point being made was the difference between this: cops who are already being paid to do a job doing it inside the rally or doing it outside the rally after people had put helmets on and and are on a road on their bikes...and therefore able to be fined.

You try and tell me; that's about positive policing or just plain old revenue gathering?

Oh and BTW... I was there... the man in blue that D spoke to had an attitude and was rude. Definitely having a bad hair day.

[dangerous]

With all the testing you would have them do you would have to get in early in the queue.
Those that gave no reading would get through fairly quickly
Those that gave an indication of alcohol would have to wait while a tube was attached to the testing device and than blow through it
And even if it came back as a pass there's still over a minute tied up in that excercise, multiply that by the number wanting to be tested in the queue and you will have a long waiting line. (The cops would have maybe six - eight devices)

How about people just taking responsibility for their drinking? And maybe buying their own tester?
It wouldn't stand up in Court as a defence if the Cop test says youre over the limit - but hey at least it would give you an indication as to how schickered you are

hang on.. ya lost me...

every single bike to ride out of the rally WAS tested... all of them... you know the rally you know there is only one way out and every bike was stoped.

a voluntary test Id say 70% may front up for a test remember not all drink at a rally.