Ocean floor mining

[Ocean1]

And have some more companies "avoiding tax"... funny how tax avoidance is legal yet these guys had to settle. Bunch of selfish white muthafuckas sucking NZ dry under their entitlement complex as an excuse to do so. So very pathetic.

Yet another not NZ company not avoiding tax, if it was tax avoidance then by definition it would be legal.

Allow me to save you the trouble: there are people, *gasp* who evade the taxes they're supposed to pay. Considering we're talking about money they earned I tend to view them favourably compared to people who earn fuck all and whine like a stuck pig about income "inequality".

Now fuck off and play somewhere dangerous. A long way away.

[Ocean1]

It seems wrong that when I make a loss I can claim back $$$$ refund but poor Joe Blow down the road at ordinary salary/wages job cant claim nothing back.

Possibly because he never makes a loss?

[R650R]

Of course they do... probably why the tax system never seems to calculate ones tax correctly and I either end up owing them or they end up owing me... usually the latter

I think its only a token amount and mostly people who for whatever reason didn't work a whole tax year.
Would be interesting to see how many people have an "Ohh F^%& it" moment instead of a Wahoo.
Note the average joe has to request a Summary of earnings to properly check if they haven't kept their own payslip records etc and once that's done if tax to pay you have to.
Another one of the games govt plays so the public thinking their getting a fair deal. But really atax refund for average joe is a bit like a country gettings its prisoners of war back after most of the other soldiers were slaughtered on battlefield.
I'm still waiting for the moment when the 'user pays' 'right wing' nats stop interfering with society and get the govt out of business that private business could be doing and let taxpayers just pay for quality services they actually want.
I equate govts role to same as wedding planners type role. Really they are like an event management company that puts on a crap event with leaky marquees, rubbish food and entertainment and still expects payment.

[mashman]

You're awfully concerned about who gets slices of my earnings for someone who doesn't believe in them. As you're significantly challenged wrt financial issues I'll explain: avoiding tax you're not required to pay is neither illegal or immoral you ignorant fuckwit.

All clear?

You are, of course, entitled to excuse anything you like on any grounds that you deem fit.

It would seem not... in fact not even remotely.

[Ocean1]

You are, of course, entitled to excuse anything you like on any grounds that you deem fit.

It would seem not... in fact not even remotely.

Correct. As I said I don't excuse whining freeloaders anywhere near the same good grace.

And I had not even the slightest hint of any expectation that anything whatsoever would ever be anything approaching clear to what I can only call your meagre intelligence.

[mashman]

I apologise if you interpreted that only small businessmen work long hours. Of course its not only small businessmen that do so. But those that do work long and hard would mostly be united in condemning those from ALL sectors of society that think everything should be handed to them on a plate, with the least possible effort or contribution on their part. Irrespective of whether they are capitalists socialists or inbetween.

That is one of the most major flaws of your preferred society, it rewards those that are deliberately improvident. And I'm not condemning the genuinely needy in saying that, before you spout your toxic and implacable socialist mindset.

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lol, I don't have you pegged that way. Oh really? I don't condemn those that you deem unworthy, I accept that they exist and always will. The main reason I question your assertion that most would condemn it, is that that situation currently exists. Yes people are getting pissed off with it, but not at the rate of those who are starting to see the financial system for what it is and the travesty that it facilitates. Once you've asked the other 4.x million other in NZ, then you can clam most.

It rewards everyone irrespective of effort. Would you quit doing suspension just because you could? You don't enjoy it at all? @toxic socialist mindset... I don't see the point in letting the existence "lazy" people dictate the pace of our economic evolution, amongst other things.

[mashman]

Correct. As I said I don't excuse whining freeloaders anywhere near the same good grace.

And I had not even the slightest hint of any expectation that anything whatsoever would ever be anything approaching clear to what I can only call your meagre intelligence.

You should, it'll make you more cuddleable.

[mashman]

Yet another not NZ company not avoiding tax, if it was tax avoidance then by definition it would be legal.

Allow me to save you the trouble: there are people, *gasp* who evade the taxes they're supposed to pay. Considering we're talking about money they earned I tend to view them favourably compared to people who earn fuck all and whine like a stuck pig about income "inequality".

Now fuck off and play somewhere dangerous. A long way away.

Referring to the dictionary definitions and the law eh. Sweet move bro.

Of course you do, you know no better.

No chance!

[Winston001]

The area that is being looked at for mining, would that be on the conternental shelves, or deep deep ocean floors?

Seems to be littoral mining at shallow depths - down to 100m. Mining off the shelf is a different kettle of fish entirely.

I guess while we are the topic, there is another proposed operation to mine phosphate off the Chatham Rise. That also happens to be where one of our best fishing grounds is.

http://www.rockphosphate.co.nz/the-project/

[Winston001]

The outfit that got the mineral lease for pretty much most of the West Coast is Chinese. I don't hold that against them . What does annoy me is that for an area of 25 million square kilometres of Ocean floor they pay a lease of only 5 mill a year .

That sounds like the annual charge for the mining permit. The Crown owns all minerals and levies a royalty on extraction. That is usually where the big money is.

[mashman]

I think its only a token amount and mostly people who for whatever reason didn't work a whole tax year.
Would be interesting to see how many people have an "Ohh F^%& it" moment instead of a Wahoo.
Note the average joe has to request a Summary of earnings to properly check if they haven't kept their own payslip records etc and once that's done if tax to pay you have to.
Another one of the games govt plays so the public thinking their getting a fair deal. But really atax refund for average joe is a bit like a country gettings its prisoners of war back after most of the other soldiers were slaughtered on battlefield.
I'm still waiting for the moment when the 'user pays' 'right wing' nats stop interfering with society and get the govt out of business that private business could be doing and let taxpayers just pay for quality services they actually want.
I equate govts role to same as wedding planners type role. Really they are like an event management company that puts on a crap event with leaky marquees, rubbish food and entertainment and still expects payment.

you sher paint a purdy picture.

The ooops moments only ever seem to happen when they put in a new system... the rest of the time it's Wahoo, or so it seems. I guess a return is all relative depending on whether you need to pay the electricity bill or pay for the new lambo.

The interference is required, as I can't see the private sector keeping as many jobs as the govt currently provides. Meh, govt, no govt, tis pointless if they both achieve not much more than the status quo.

[Shadowjack]

Godzilla!...
Underwater diggers? Sound bloody cool, wonder if they will be yellow?

Godzilla?
Big yellow materiel handling machinery, you say?

"Get away from her, you bitch!'

[george formby]

Seems to be littoral mining at shallow depths - down to 100m. Mining off the shelf is a different kettle of fish entirely.

I guess while we are the topic, there is another proposed operation to mine phosphate off the Chatham Rise. That also happens to be where one of our best fishing grounds is.

http://www.rockphosphate.co.nz/the-project/

I know that the consequence of dredging ports & rivers in Europe has turned vast areas of what was productive inshore fisheries into aquatic car parks.

To be viable the scale of a mining operation would have to be huge, 24/7. The consequences possibly even bigger. Worst part is nobody can see what is being done.

[george formby]

Godzilla?
Big yellow materiel handling machinery, you say?

"Get away from her, you bitch!'

Very well done. Ripley. Believe it or not.

[Shadowjack]

Seriously for a minute - just glancing thru the thread, am I right in seeing that the places this is planned to happen are smaller nations with GDP's less than a smallish multinational legal firm, thus allowing for experimentation with the process, with little blowback for cock-ups?