Cunliffe's constituent Liu?

[Ulsterkiwi]

which is the main thrust of my argument.
It was the krauts that invented cars and the frogs motorbikes, so you, whitey, had better forsake those devices, your white forbears didnt invent em.
As said (im repeating myself for you bob, NOW you can feel special) its a disingenious argument.

I dont actually subscribe to the 'if you didnt invent it you cant use it' line of thinking, thats a load of crap.
Technically however, the 'krauts' and 'frogs' belong to the caucasian group of peoples, so that would be what is colloquially known as 'whitey'.
just sayin.....

[gjm]

You mean like the Swiss... after all they're contemplating implementing a UBI? UBI is the way of the future ... I would say it's almost an inevitability.

When surveyed (scale/scope/number fo respondents unknown), 80% of Americans said they would be in favour of UBI.

Of course they would. 80% of Americans would probably see an improvement in income. The same is quite possibly true of a vast number of countries.

I'm not sure if NZ has got something very, very wrong. There is a huge drive towards globalisation, something which will massively benefit a very few, and give the majority of people a greater chance to acquire things they don't want and can't afford. Does NZ genuinely need global trade, at least on the vast scale being proposed and currently implemented?

[Akzle]

Who out there is worth voting for????

vote akzle

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[Akzle]

I dont actually subscribe to the 'if you didnt invent it you cant use it' line of thinking, thats a load of crap.
Technically however, the 'krauts' and 'frogs' belong to the caucasian group of peoples, so that would be what is colloquially known as 'whitey'.
just sayin.....

and technically, you're all just melanin deficient africans. just sayin'...

[Ulsterkiwi]

and technically, you're all just melanin deficient africans. just sayin'...

Working from your presumed position that all human life stems from the middle of the present African continent, do you exclude yourself from that sweeping generalisation?

[dinosaur]

In his letter from 2003 Cunliffe wrote:

"my constituent Donghua Liu"

http://www.documentcloud.org/documen...ml#document/p1


Can anyone explain how someone who is not an NZ resident can be Cunliffe's constituent? To me Liu was not a voter in NZ and could therefore not be his constituent.

Why does it matter whether Liu was his constituent or not? Because Cunliffe uses this to explain his relationship with Liu. If his relationship was not based on Lui being his constituent, then what was it in fact based on? Was it perhaps based on something that Cunliffe would feel embarrased to admit?

I agree with you completely

and I know for a fact a wealthy man like Liu wouldn't be calling into the local MPs office asking for an electorate secretary to write a letter to see where his application is! Thats what Cunliff is saying! ....... Men like Liu don't go to places like that - they summon our politicians to their mansions, ply them with trips on their boat or private jet, feed them well and donate money here there and everywhere, tell them how much money and jobs they can bring to NZ and then ask if they could help make it happen

This letter from Cunliff is proof he was bought as well. Does anyone seriously think that this billionaire who has relationships with the Primeminster and other MPs would bother calling the local office and dealing with a secretary/admin person - I doubt it
And remember 10 years ago when this letter was written - Labour were in power and Cunliff was an MP (just like National Party MP Maurice Williamson)
Ok Cunliff wasn't dumb enough to interferer with due process - however his claims of never meeting him, not having anything to do with him, seem rather unbelievable

The fact Cunliffe is claiming one of his staff members wrote a letter of which Cunliff only signed; proves to me hes a lair and there's a shit load more to the story

[Ocean1]

Does NZ genuinely need global trade, at least on the vast scale being proposed and currently implemented?

Depends. Is your helmet made in NZ? did you even buy it from a local shop? Are you happy to do without all of your shit not made in NZ?

Global trade isn't a bad thing. Global terms of trade are what causes global inequity.

[Katman]

Have you seen the school boy crap that goes on in parliment ffs these idiots are meant to be running a country, I'm not singling any one of them out, they are all the fucking same!

And in that respect, can you recall seeing any of the Green party MPs carrying on like school kids while in parliament?

I can't.

[Ulsterkiwi]

And in that respect, can you recall seeing any of the Green party MPs carrying on like school kids while in parliament?

I can't.

Russell Norman has been accused of grandstanding and point scoring from time to time. That is kind of part of the political system though isnt it?

I think it would be a hugely positive thing if the greens got to be part of the next government. Many of their aspirations and policies are admirable, desirable even. It would be interesting to see if they can make those policies reality.

[Akzle]

...I know for a fact...
Men like Liu don't go to places like that ...
This letter from Cunliff is proof he was bought...
I doubt it...
his claims ...
seem...

The fact Cunliffe is claiming one of his staff members wrote a letter of which Cunliff only signed; proves to me hes a lair ...

that's a whole lot of supposition on which you base your strong belief.
but pray, what facts do you know? i'm sure teh jewdiciary would be delighted to hear them.

[Katman]

Russell Norman has been accused of grandstanding and point scoring from time to time. That is kind of part of the political system though isnt it?

Not quite the school kid antics I was referring to though.

As I've said before, the Green party can no longer be looked upon as simply sandal wearing, dope smoking hippies.

[Ocean1]

I think it would be a hugely positive thing if the greens got to be part of the next government. Many of their aspirations and policies are admirable, desirable even.

I think they wouldn't make three years, the economy would tank in 2.

You're right about their aspirations. If you can reduce them to minimising irrepairable damage to the planet. But their policies are nothing like representing the tools required to do that job. Neo Luddism in action.

[Ulsterkiwi]

Not quite the school kid antics I was referring to though.

As I've said before, the Green party can no longer be looked upon as simply sandal wearing, dope smoking hippies.

I would agree with you on both points. I like their pragmatism in comparison to the green sector in some other jurisdictions

[Ulsterkiwi]

I think they wouldn't make the tree years, the economy would tank in 2.

You're right about their aspirations. If you can reduce them to minimising irrepairable damage to the planet's concerned. But their policies are nothing like representing the tools required to do that job. Neo Luddism in action.

There are question marks about the transition from policy to reality for sure, hence my use of the word 'if'. That said, its not like the alternatives have watertight solutions either. Lets say they are in a coalition government which is the most likely way they get to govern. That means they cannot implement their policies wholesale but they are given the opportunity to try some. I am willing to give that my vote.

[mashman]

When surveyed (scale/scope/number fo respondents unknown), 80% of Americans said they would be in favour of UBI.

Of course they would. 80% of Americans would probably see an improvement in income. The same is quite possibly true of a vast number of countries.

I'm not sure if NZ has got something very, very wrong. There is a huge drive towards globalisation, something which will massively benefit a very few, and give the majority of people a greater chance to acquire things they don't want and can't afford. Does NZ genuinely need global trade, at least on the vast scale being proposed and currently implemented?

WTF! I'd been keen to see a link to the survey iffen ye have one?

lol... unfortunately too true.

I'll plump for no as an answer to your question... whilst I think globalisation is where we will end up and really need to be in so many ways, I'd say you're bang on in regards to the beneficiaries of such policy.