NZ national motorcycle road racers' association?

[Drew]

I don't have a problem with that as there are a lot of other people involved like pit crew and sponsors who attend these events

So? Are they racing? They want to spend more/less money, they can discuss it with their rider/s. Why the fuck should their input effect the racing? They're not paying for everyone out there.

[Shaun Harris]

So? Are they racing? They want to spend more/less money, they can discuss it with their rider/s. Why the fuck should their input effect the racing? They're not paying for everyone out there.

Be carefull buddy, you have already got your self kicked off this site once this week

[Drew]

Be carefull buddy, you have already got your self kicked off this site once this week

Careful of what? Have you had your windows washed lately?

[Billy]

To not put too fine a point on it if Suzuki NZ immediately pulled out ALL of their substanial direct and indirect support the sport would be in a very sorry state. So much, this support gets taken for granted. We should embrace their huge support and if that means they have a bigger say, then so be it.
The number of rounds for the Nationals should also be firmly capped at 4 with no double headers / extra days of racing. This to keep the costs at a sensible level, also for the sponsors ( like SNZ as one big example ) whom I expect their support gets taken for granted when members vote for more racing. ''The cow will only deliver so much milk'' and should'nt be asked for more. ( Americas cup funding springs to mind )
The reality check is ''who is paying for all of this and will they continue to be happy paying?" Its all very well having champagne tastes with a wish to consume more but you have to have the income stream or support to fund it.
Sponsorship money was a few years back flowing freely but given the scare of the recession and in spite of the economy picking up many potential sponsors are a hell of a lot more reticent and frugal about splashing money around. So extra tyres, accomodation , meals , conveyance costs and engine wear from having more racing impacts on end costs quite substanially. Not to mention downtime when employers may need you most and using holiday allocations up while marshalling on cold corners etc. There are limits
Its a matter of keeping things at a realistic and sustainable level.

The reality is Robert,The board at MNZ don't see it the way you do either,When I approached them very early on and asked the question,That if Suzuki NZ were to offer $100K to sponsor NZSBK(Not that they were),Was I to tell them no,The answer was an emphatic "YES",Its of note that Suzuki have done just that(Although I don't know the figure involved) with the old Tri Series.

Also re the double headers,They are an effective compromise to extra rounds and I was pleasantly surprised with the response to the Manfeild round,So I guess it comes back to the old chestnut,Your entitled to your opinion,BUT thats ALL it is.

[scracha]

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Its a matter of keeping things at a realistic and sustainable level.

Can someone phone Robert and tell him his account has been hacked.

Careful of what? Have you had your windows washed lately?

After his head injury he's mibby licked them clean.

[suzuki21]

So? Are they racing? They want to spend more/less money, they can discuss it with their rider/s. Why the fuck should their input effect the racing? They're not paying for everyone out there.

I am pit bitch for a team which has bought many international riders to NZ in the past. These riders aren't really interested in the politics of where they ride so they wont provide input - they just want to ride. Team owners, sponsors and crew pay the bills so they should have a HUGE input on format etc.

[Pumba]

.... Team owners, sponsors and crew pay the bills so they should have a HUGE input on format etc.

And if they want to have that input into MNZ then pay the $70 to join as an associate member and enjoy the "benefit" of having full voting rights without a competition licence

[steveyb]

And if they want to have that input into MNZ then pay the $70 to join as an associate member and enjoy the "benefit" of having full voting rights without a competition licence

Yes, as a former licence holder but no longer MNZ member I think that is a fair enough call in many respects. Won't be taken up by many, but I think that many people in my situation can and should become associate members. I will rectify my own situation soon.

[Drew]

And if they want to have that input into MNZ then pay the $70 to join as an associate member and enjoy the "benefit" of having full voting rights without a competition licence

Yes, as a former licence holder but no longer MNZ member I think that is a fair enough call in many respects. Won't be taken up by many, but I think that many people in my situation can and should become associate members. I will rectify my own situation soon.

Spot on fellas. Steve, Christ knows you don't need to do any more for the sport. But I think anyone voting should be a member.

[Robert Taylor]

The reality is Robert,The board at MNZ don't see it the way you do either,When I approached them very early on and asked the question,That if Suzuki NZ were to offer $100K to sponsor NZSBK(Not that they were),Was I to tell them no,The answer was an emphatic "YES",Its of note that Suzuki have done just that(Although I don't know the figure involved) with the old Tri Series.

Also re the double headers,They are an effective compromise to extra rounds and I was pleasantly surprised with the response to the Manfeild round,So I guess it comes back to the old chestnut,Your entitled to your opinion,BUT thats ALL it is.

Granted, a double header is preferable to an extra round or two.

[jellywrestler]

Spot on fellas. Steve, Christ knows you don't need to do any more for the sport. But I think anyone voting should be a member.

Did you vote Drew?, I don't believe you should have as the New Zealand Sidecar Racing Association generally discusses the nationals format on you behalf so theoretically you should step back and not bend the results of the survey for the Solo riders...


and for the record, I voted too, I voted for the way I see it working best, not for they way I'd prefer to spend my summer watching bikes....

[Robert Taylor]

I am pit bitch for a team which has bought many international riders to NZ in the past. These riders aren't really interested in the politics of where they ride so they wont provide input - they just want to ride. Team owners, sponsors and crew pay the bills so they should have a HUGE input on format etc.

Well said.

[Billy]

I am pit bitch for a team which has bought many international riders to NZ in the past. These riders aren't really interested in the politics of where they ride so they wont provide input - they just want to ride. Team owners, sponsors and crew pay the bills so they should have a HUGE input on format etc.

You can vote,But bear in mind when voting,Its the commissioner that has the final say,Quite honestly,If I had of caved in and gone with the competitors suggestions last year,It would have been far less successful,Problem with these polls is,Those that take part will be wanting to see a WSBK type format with bouncy castles and all sorts of other entertainment,All good stuff,BUT who pays for it all?????,I voted for a continuation of last years series only with a doubleheader at round 1 because in my mind we are heading in the right direction in the area of competitor participation,The more there are,The more competitive it will become therefore leading to a spectacle worth enticing the general public along to have a look,Theres NO point getting them in to watch 7 or 8 bikes running around in each class.

[quickbuck]

You can vote,But bear in mind when voting,Its the commissioner that has the final say,Quite honestly,If I had of caved in and gone with the competitors suggestions last year,It would have been far less successful,Problem with these polls is,Those that take part will be wanting to see a WSBK type format with bouncy castles and all sorts of other entertainment,All good stuff,BUT who pays for it all?????,I voted for a continuation of last years series only with a doubleheader at round 1 because in my mind we are heading in the right direction in the area of competitor participation,The more there are,The more competitive it will become therefore leading to a spectacle worth enticing the general public along to have a look,Theres NO point getting them in to watch 7 or 8 bikes running around in each class.

All fair points Billy. One thing though, I reckon double header at final round is the way to go. That way we can all go to the final round with almost all the championships still to be decided.....

Still, I can see why you would do it for round one.... To get the numbers entered from the get go.





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[Billy]

All fair points Billy. One thing though, I reckon double header at final round is the way to go. That way we can all go to the final round with almost all the championships still to be decided.....

Still, I can see why you would do it for round one.... To get the numbers entered from the get go.





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Yerr,

Thats why it says a continuation of last year,So would be 2 double headers,1 at round 1 which would run through til the monday night,From Friday and the infamous Finale at the Minefeild.