Does GOD approve of your motorcycle riding?

[bluninja]

2 Samuel 22:7-17 In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters;

Yeah, my God rides too!!


Zed

But was the cherub a single, a twin, a triple, or an inline 4? I guess with the earth trembling it must have been a single or a twin. and those wings...don't tell me it was a honda

[Zed]

But was the cherub a single, a twin, a triple, or an inline 4? I guess with the earth trembling it must have been a single or a twin. and those wings...don't tell me it was a honda

Sure, Honda comes the closest...however, cherubs have 6 wings!

[MikeL]

God riding a Cherub? Who writes this stuff?

This silliness must stop.

And now for something completely different...

"Blessed are the Cheesemakers..."
(because they know the whey?)

[Lou Girardin]

Is this the longest thread yet?
Lou

[SPman]

A Cherub sounds like a mid 50's Japanese single 2 stroke....All that smoke and flames - probably the engine seizing before sending him over the top in a highside....that would explain the flying bit and the arrows and lightning - he'd be real pissed off!

But they have six wings.........A Goldwing!








....and now, a massage from the Swedish Prime Minister.......

[Goddess of Goof]

Of course god approves of motorcycling...

After all, isn't it written in the bible that Moses burned up the desert on/in his Triumph???

I recall this reference as a joke, something along these lines ........

"Who was the first man to ever ride a motorcycle ?"
Was it Valentino Rossi? No. Was it Ivan Mauger? No. Was it good Mr Davidson himself? No.
It goes much further back than that.
It was MOSES ! Moses ? How can you say that?
It's written in the Bible.........
"When Moses came down from the Mountain,
The sound of his Triumph was heard all across the Land"

BTW, my GODDESS thoroughly approves of my motorcycle riding.
She actively encourages me to get out there and celebrate my freedom and autonomy in Her name........ and I sing songs of delight and praise to Her as I ride.......

[riffer]

BTW, my GODDESS thoroughly approves of my motorcycle riding.
She actively encourages me to get out there and celebrate my freedom and autonomy in Her name........ and I sing songs of delight and praise to Her as I ride.......

Blessed be, bestfun

[Hitcher]

"When Moses came down from the Mountain,
The sound of his Triumph was heard all across the Land"

And that would have to be an inline twin, rather than a triple.

I know that I will probably regret ever asking this, but where is it written that cherubs have six wings? This was news to an entomologist friend of mine...

[MikeL]

I would have to say that I am very sceptical about the claim that cherubim (note the correct plural) have 6 wings. Where is the proof? All the ones I have encountered have been normal twin-winged (dipterous) specimens. I would think that a hexapterous cherub would be aerodynamically unstable...

[Hitcher]

I would have to say that I am very sceptical about the claim that cherubim (note the correct plural) have 6 wings. Where is the proof? All the ones I have encountered have been normal twin-winged (dipterous) specimens. I would think that a hexapterous cherub would be aerodynamically unstable...

Cherubis fantasii perhaps?

[Coldkiwi]

Would it be a fair statement then to say that the religion should not define the people so much as the people should define their faith? (ps not being pissy honest question.)

(as an aside, I get nervous about using the R word. It has so many connotations and stereotypes that it inevitably starts things off towards god in a negative light).

I think its a big can of worms TBH. I believe people have free will to make their own decisions on the supernatural, so maybe in that sense 'people should define their faith'.
On the other hand, many people have defined their own faith in a fairly harmful way towards others to suit their own agenda 's (KKK, Aum Shinrikyo/suicide cults etc being extreme examples). So in that way, peoples beliefs need to be at least bounded by the bastions of religions to keep things from becoming anarchy. (big idea that i may have not communicated too well so don't jump on me to quickly over it ok?- I'm sure theres a Thesis in that!)

To say outright that people can define their own faith is a bit like people I have talked to saying 'everyone has their own truth. For you it can be God but for me I just live my life as best I can and I don't need to abide by any ten commandments'. Thats all well and good and wonderfully PC and accepting of diversity... but falls on its face when it encounters serial murderers/rapists who believe that their truth and rights (or call it faith for argument sakes) are to abuse and destroy.

did that help?

[MikeL]

One of the assumptions that we often make is that religion and morality are necessarily closely connected. It is possible (but difficult for those brought up in the Judeo-Christian tradition) to separate them so that our behaviour towards others is governed by secular or humanitarian concepts of fairness, brotherly love, avoiding causing suffering, etc., while spiritual growth entails exploring on a purely personal level the nature of the divinity and the meaning of existence. I admit that in the latter aspect there is an overlap with morality to some extent but what I would refute vehemently is that religious beliefs should be allowed to take precedence over commonsense, decency, and the rights of others to live their lives in their own way, providing always that it does not harm their fellow human beings. I would have to say that in my view the enormous good that the Christian church (as an institution) has brought about over 2 millennia has been balanced by enormous harm perpetrated sometimes deliberately, sometimes inadvertently. Christianity's greatest contribution - its radical re-interpretation of how we should live our lives - is also its greatest failing, when that simple message of brotherly love and joy is distorted and overlaid with primitive notions of reward and punishment and a concept of "God" (wrathful but loving, vengeful but merciful) that only makes sense to a Freudian.
Here endeth the sermon.

[Zed]

And that would have to be an inline twin, rather than a triple.

I know that I will probably regret ever asking this, but where is it written that cherubs have six wings? This was news to an entomologist friend of mine...

They have four wings actually, I made a mistake...it's the Seraphims that are the six-winged creatures. Found written in Ezekiel 10:20-22; Isaiah 6:2.

Zed

[Hitcher]

They have four wings actually, I made a mistake...it's the Seraphims that are the six-winged creatures. Found written in Ezekiel 10:20-22; Isaiah 6:2.

Zed

Thank you. I must have missed those bits! Useful questions for Trivial Pursuits, if nothing else...

[Hitcher]

They have four wings actually, I made a mistake...it's the Seraphims that are the six-winged creatures. Found written in Ezekiel 10:20-22; Isaiah 6:2.

Zed

Fascinating... Cherubim have four faces as well, whereas seraphim have only two, but presumably fly blind, seeing as they're obscured by two wings... One wonders whether this is early evidence of genetic modification???