Does GOD approve of your motorcycle riding?

[marty]

you and me both Ogri. Although I'm sure I was blasphemous when I got stopped for lane splitting at 125 between Cambridge and Hamilton last night.

[bluninja]

So how do you know what is the right thing and what is the wrong thing? If we all make ourselves our own final authority like you we end up with arguments, threatenings, murders, rape & pilage, & ultimately war!...and isn't that where we are today? It's mankind causing all of these major problems in our society and the world because everyone does that which is right in his own eyes! Stop blaming all the mess on God and let's take some responsability ourselves.

Before you try and remove the speck from my eye.....(you know the rest I'm sure). I am totally responsible for my actions (and inactions), and I will be judged against those at the appropriate time; and not by you

How do I know what is the right thing and what is the wrong thing? Scripture, prayer, holy spirit....testing both my intentions and the results. The bible in it's current form is not very old. Men made a choice as to what scriptures should be included and what should not. Where they right? Did god make them infallible in their choices? Because I am responsible for my choices I test things and make a decision based on my belief of what is right and wrong. I do not pass the buck to anyone in the past who may have made a mistake and is leading me astray.

You still haven't answered your own question about speeding and how that squares with your beliefs. I would be interested to hear your response.

[Zed]

Before you try and remove the speck from my eye.....(you know the rest I'm sure). I am totally responsible for my actions (and inactions), and I will be judged against those at the appropriate time; and not by you

How do I know what is the right thing and what is the wrong thing? Scripture, prayer, holy spirit....testing both my intentions and the results. The bible in it's current form is not very old. Men made a choice as to what scriptures should be included and what should not. Where they right? Did god make them infallible in their choices? Because I am responsible for my choices I test things and make a decision based on my belief of what is right and wrong. I do not pass the buck to anyone in the past who may have made a mistake and is leading me astray.

You still haven't answered your own question about speeding and how that squares with your beliefs. I would be interested to hear your response.

Gidday again,

Please let me make one thing clear to you- I am not judging you guys despite how it seems. Us Christians are always falsely accused of doing that when God and the Bible are discussed with non-believers...I think the conscience of the hearers is invloved here?

And as far as breaking the law on my bike I have already made an honest admission that I too am guilty!! There has been some misunderstanding with you lot- my original post was intended to get feedback from other Christians on this site and how they feel about this issue...I simply wanted to relate to them, that's all. Next time I'll word it differently so I won't get labelled as having an "holier than thou" attitude, because I don't.


Zed

[bluninja]

Gidday again,

Please let me make one thing clear to you- I am not judging you guys despite how it seems. Us Christians are always falsely accused of doing that when God and the Bible are discussed with non-believers...I think the conscience of the hearers is invloved here?

And as far as breaking the law on my bike I have already made an honest admission that I too am guilty!! There has been some misunderstanding with you lot- my original post was intended to get feedback from other Christians on this site and how they feel about this issue...I simply wanted to relate to them, that's all. Next time I'll word it differently so I won't get labelled as having an "holier than thou" attitude, because I don't.


Zed

Fair enough.....and hopefully I did answer the specific question you posed within my ramblings.

[Racey Rider]

So Zed, CK and I have given you our thoughts on speeding from a Christian point of view. What are your thoughts about it?
At what point does our speed become sin?!
At 101km/h on the open road? The legalists approach.
At 111k as this allows for the well known buffer?
At some undetermined speed that makes it unsafe for the conditions?
Other?

By Points for those interested:
What is sin? Anything outside the will of God.
about sin? We as Christians do, in our lives as it affects our daily closeness with God.

What does that matter? It doesn't matter as far as the after life is concerned, as the Christians sin is paid for by accepting Jesus Christ as "Deit Payer" for our sin, - past, present and future. But it does make us weak Christians in the present, not being effectively used by God to do his will. Perhaps why the "Church" is so wishy-washy, and not affective in todays world, - to blasay about sin in there lives.
PS. The above is my interpretation of the bible. Meant only to be helpful to anyone wondering.

So to us Christians, the question (Does God approve of your motorcycle riding?), is an important one.

What the * are you going on about? Anyone who would like to know more about what
we're going on about can PM me or maybe Coldkiwi, or yes, even maybe Zed
Racey.

[Big Dog]

Their major mistake was that they didn't fear God!
Truth- if the law of the land contradicts Gods law then you are not obligated to follow it!
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.



I don't get it does not the this not contradict your earlier statement about breaking the law being a sin? Where in the bible does it say thou shalt not speed? How would I know unless got told me that speeding is sinning?


Read and study Church history from a Protestant's perspective and you will find that they were killed for what they believed and especially for what they wouldn't believe!

Do you think that would have happened at great expense to the governments of the time if they had gone about their business in a diplomatic way?

And making noise as a Christian is a direct commandment from God- do you know what the "Great Commission" is?

Not in any bible I ever read, there are only the ten you know.


Did you know that you quoted scripture? Proverbs 16:18 ¶Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Duh.

I'm sorry that my posts portray pride. When and if you get to know me you will find out that I'm no prouder than you about somethings we are very passionate about.


So where is the debate? All I hear is sermonising.

Oh, and I probably came across as preaching to you because I'm a preacher!

So you must be aware that diplomacy is the key ingredient in any sales pitch. (after "qualifying your prospect"). You seem a little quick to the offensive for a minister (I don't mean to be be offensive just objectively curious, but you lack the patience normaly associated with men of god.)
" for god said go forth and lie down with the lions, for the meek shall inherit the earth." Can't remember who but god said it to the disciple who was fed to the lions for treason. I used to have it as a book mark .

Out of curiosity which bible do you refer to? Either you paraphrase a lot or it is not one I am familiar with.

[Big Dog]

Oh I neglected to point out earlier god clearly approves of my speeding and disapproves of the excessive taxation by our government because......On several of my bikes now including the one I now ride I have been travelling along a license shredding speeds when my bike inexplicably slowed... passed a camera or police car.... and sped back up without the slightest alteration in my controls. Curiously enough this only happens when The Man is about.

God also prefers that I ride a motorbike.... Because I have had three tickets in 15 years all for speeding (60 in a 50 zone) all in cars

If this is not clear evidence that god prefers I ride.. I have no understanding of the universe at all.

Still awaiting your rebuttal Zed.

[Big Dog]

Further to the above, I am not being critical of this thread just questioning why it was broached in such a argumentative way and asking Zed to clarify his statements, without contradicting himself would be good. If anyone would like to offer me a coherent discussion on the topic at hand feel free to e-mail me Bigdogonamotabike@hotmail.com

[wkid_one]

Honestly - haven't we now done this to death?

As for being a preacher......welll.....I will say nothing.

Big Dog - I like your post.

Racey/CK - I prefer your approach to Christianity in the 21st Century - much more pragmatic

Religion is something someone has to choose - not have it RAMMED DOWN THEIR THROAT.....look what happened in Medi-evil Europe when the church tried this - the peasants had a nasty habit of revolting against the cloth.

I will say no more on this - because unlike Racey and CK, Zed, you have a closed mind to everything other than what you say....(A virtue I am sure God disapproves it - Thalt shall seek knowledge - if I recall)

[Zed]

Oh I neglected to point out earlier god clearly approves of my speeding and disapproves of the excessive taxation by our government because......On several of my bikes now including the one I now ride I have been travelling along a license shredding speeds when my bike inexplicably slowed... passed a camera or police car.... and sped back up without the slightest alteration in my controls. Curiously enough this only happens when The Man is about.

God also prefers that I ride a motorbike.... Because I have had three tickets in 15 years all for speeding (60 in a 50 zone) all in cars

If this is not clear evidence that god prefers I ride.. I have no understanding of the universe at all.

Still awaiting your rebuttal Zed.

Hi Big Dog,

I don't find anything in your post to rebut?

Who am I to comment on your relationship between you and your god? By what you said above it sounds like you are fairly aware of his presence in your life!


Zed

[Zed]

Their major mistake was that they didn't fear God!
Truth- if the law of the land contradicts Gods law then you are not obligated to follow it!
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.


I don't get it does not the this not contradict your earlier statement about breaking the law being a sin? Where in the bible does it say thou shalt not speed? How would I know unless got told me that speeding is sinning?

No contradiction at all. There are two types of law- those from God and those from man. Yes, God has ordained the powers that be, but if those powers set up laws that contradict Gods laws then there is no obligation for the Christian to obey them.
I think the argument of whether or not speeding is a sin is childish.

1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Read and study Church history from a Protestant's perspective and you will find that they were killed for what they believed and especially for what they wouldn't believe!

Do you think that would have happened at great expense to the governments of the time if they had gone about their business in a diplomatic way?

They were being diplomatic! It was when these governments passed laws contradicting Gods laws such as "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion", that many were made martyrs- for these saints knew that even though the law of the land said not to preach and teach Christ they still were commanded to do so by God! Read Pilgrims Progress and Foxes Book of Martyrs for the historical proof.

And making noise as a Christian is a direct commandment from God- do you know what the "Great Commission" is?

Not in any bible I ever read, there are only the ten you know.

The Great Commission:
Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

& the parallel passage in another gospel-

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Fact: the Holy Bible is filled with 100's of direct commandments from God to man. The 10 commandments were the basis or frame of the laws given to the nation of Israel in the Old Testament. Only some of these 10 were reiterated for application in the New Testament.
Jesus Christ himself (being God) gave new commandments:
John 13:34-35 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Did you know that you quoted scripture? Proverbs 16:18 ¶Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Duh.

I'm sorry that my posts portray pride. When and if you get to know me you will find out that I'm no prouder than you about somethings we are very passionate about.


So where is the debate? All I hear is sermonising.

Oh, and I probably came across as preaching to you because I'm a preacher!

So you must be aware that diplomacy is the key ingredient in any sales pitch. (after "qualifying your prospect"). You seem a little quick to the offensive for a minister (I don't mean to be be offensive just objectively curious, but you lack the patience normaly associated with men of god.)
" for god said go forth and lie down with the lions, for the meek shall inherit the earth." Can't remember who but god said it to the disciple who was fed to the lions for treason. I used to have it as a book mark.

Umm, who's being judgemental now? And just how many ministers have you known personally to be able to say that sir?

The scripture you mentioned above is a mixture of two portions- "Daniel and the Lions den" from the Old Testament and the "meek shall inherit the earth" part is from a discourse Jesus gave to his disciples commonly known as the Beatitudes.

Out of curiosity which bible do you refer to? Either you paraphrase a lot or it is not one I am familiar with.

I do not paraphrase at all. All my facts come from the Authorised Version of the Bible- the King James 1611.


Regards,

Zed

[Zed]

I'm a non-believer, but I'm starting to wonder if there is a god.

When you think about it, how could evolution create a human being that fits so perfectly on a motorbike...I mean our arms have been designed to have just the right lenght to reach the handle bars, we can grip the bars with our perfectly designed hands and we can twist the throttle with our amazing wrists. Our ankles pivot for gear changes and our knees bend so our feet will rest on the footpegs!

How could evolution have created us so perfectly

Lol, that's funny scooter boy...but the "theory" of evolution denys a creation! Creation requires a Creator- and the obvious design of everything, including mankind, is a proof that God is real!

Genesis 1:1 ¶In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

BTW- Evolution is a recognised religion, because it requires faith to believe in...were you there in the beginning when this imaginary "big bang" happened? Of course not, so you must believe this happened by faith...if you believe that everything in life is here by "chance", as this theory states, then I envy your faith!

Didn't you know that religion has been taught in the NZ school system for decades under the guise of this theory!


Zed

[Racey Rider]

I think the argument of whether or not speeding is a sin is childish.

HELLO!
Weren't you the one that asked the question in your first post ?!!

[Slingshot]

OMG...I can't believe my attempt at wit was replied to by scripture

Lol, that's funny scooter boy...but the "theory" of evolution denys a creation! Creation requires a Creator- and the obvious design of everything, including mankind, is a proof that God is real!

That proves nothing

Genesis 1:1 ¶In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Don't believe everything you read!

BTW- Evolution is a recognised religion, because it requires faith to believe in...were you there in the beginning when this imaginary "big bang" happened? Of course not, so you must believe this happened by faith...if you believe that everything in life is here by "chance", as this theory states, then I envy your faith!

At no point did I say I believed in evolution, to be honest I don't really care where we came from. I also do not agree with your statement that Evolution is a religion, the Collins English Dictionary defines the word Religion as "system of belief in and worship of a supernatural power or god"

Let me pose a question to you Zed...where do the dinosaurs fit in the whole creation theory?

For the record, I am both agnostic & an atheist.

[marty]

Well i've kept pretty quiet in here, as I have difficulty believing in God, some of the things that I have been exposed to have made me seriously question why a greater power would allow those things to happen to a person. I have read all of the posts though, and there are some good arguments for and against. Sorry Zed but I can't handle the use of quoted scripture as a basis of arguement - I see it as an easy way to avoid addressing the issue with your own input.

Now, I'm not intersested in getting into a lengthy discussion, the question was 'does GOD approve of your riding'. No probably not. Will I be punished therefore for displeasing him/her? Maybe. If I fall off/get a ticket I could blame it on something else (summary justice for speeding?), but at the end of the day I will take responsibility for my own actions.