Does GOD approve of your motorcycle riding?

**Zed** · 28th January 2004, 21:20

Originally Posted by Racey Rider

HELLO!

Weren't you the one that asked the question in your first post ?!!

My original post wasn't aimed at determining whether or not speeding was a sin. I assumed that the reader would know that it was!

Zed

**marty** · 28th January 2004, 21:47

actually i remember now - i didn't blasphemise the other day when i got stopped. i just said 'fuck'. turned out the highway unit snapped a gang member on his harley at 180, (who i also saw going the other way), then saw me splitting and thought - i'll give him a wind up. thought about taking off, but he was clever enough to lull me into a false sense of 'i got away with it', and snuck up behind me without his light bar running. he then had the cheek to ask if the RS was just a 'tricked up RGV'. now that's blasphemy.

LB · 29th January 2004, 04:51

Originally Posted by MikeL

A bit far to go for a day trip but it's on my priority list for the next tour.
BTW is it fully sealed yet?

No, there's about 12kms of gravel in the Tangarakau Gorge. The times we've been through it's always been really good, hard packed clay with hardly any gravel on it.

I'm with Hitcher in this one, SH43 is great. If you do it, try doing SH41 as well. Let me know when you do it, we may try and join up with you.

**MikeL** · 29th January 2004, 08:00

Thanks Lynda. I'll certainly be in touch before I come down that way again. It would be great to meet up with you and other Wlg riders. Don't know when that will be, though - will probably have to wait until my next holiday (Easter) although I may be in Sydney then.
So many roads, so little time!!
And there's still the South Island to do...

BTW thanks for your help in hijacking this thread...

**bluninja** · 29th January 2004, 09:06

Originally Posted by Zed

For all you believers in God, is He happy with your motorcycling?

My contention is that too many of us "Christians" give in to the temptation to speed ridiculously and ride dangerously, therefore breaking the law of the land and ultimately the law of God.

Something to think about. Discuss?...sure.

No doubt there will be some scoffers!

Zed

Zed, many people have responded both on and off topic. But you still refuse to add to the debate on the subject you started, other than accepting that you too have sinned. Several people have asked. So once again, I put your own question back to you.

Before you quote any more scripture, remember that Lucifer (the deceiver) is depicted in the bible (old and new stestament) of using the scripture, and gods words to his own ends. Your evasiveness on the question you posed, and your conflicting posts, make you appear more agitator and deceiver than christian.

So fess up (confession is good for the soul).

**Dave** · 29th January 2004, 09:23

Originally Posted by bluninja

If one took this at face value, then the nazis should be exonerated because they were following the laws of the land, and thus god. And it also makes one question as to why god would put such powers in place to heap such suffering on the world.

There is enough scripture in the bible that can be taken out of context and perverted for any purpose. Perhaps the following scripture could indicate that we should all ride like maniacs, hating every moment of it, until we die??

The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. John 12:25

Perhaps instead of focussing on speeding and breaking mans laws you might consider keeping all the law

The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself. Galatians 5:14"

If posts like this keep popping up then it might need it's own section of the forum

Perhaps this would be better discussed ina christian forum rather than a biking one (albeit with christian bikers contributing)....or perhaps this is part of your evangelising????

Who's the man!
-Yeah, go blue.

**Hitcher** · 29th January 2004, 09:34

Originally Posted by bluninja

Zed, many people have responded both on and off topic. But you still refuse to add to the debate on the subject you started, other than accepting that you too have sinned. Several people have asked. So once again, I put your own question back to you.

Before you quote any more scripture, remember that Lucifer (the deceiver) is depicted in the bible (old and new stestament) of using the scripture, and gods words to his own ends. Your evasiveness on the question you posed, and your conflicting posts, make you appear more agitator and deceiver than christian.

So fess up (confession is good for the soul).

Woo hoo, go Blu!!

**Zed** · 29th January 2004, 11:39

Originally Posted by bluninja

Zed, many people have responded both on and off topic. But you still refuse to add to the debate on the subject you started, other than accepting that you too have sinned. Several people have asked. So once again, I put your own question back to you.

Before you quote any more scripture, remember that Lucifer (the deceiver) is depicted in the bible (old and new stestament) of using the scripture, and gods words to his own ends. Your evasiveness on the question you posed, and your conflicting posts, make you appear more agitator and deceiver than christian.

So fess up (confession is good for the soul).

Mr Ninja,

To us believers this original discussion is no debate- but a reality for every motorcyclist here! The temptations to "sin" and break the law on a motorcycle are very strong...there is no debate. You and others have turned it into a debate because you don't adhere to the same belief system, which is okay, but leave us Christians to discuss it will you!

With all due respect, you sound very offended in my posts..."par for the course". I have been gracious with what I've said so far which is more than I can say for your recent attacks on me.

I have deliberately refrained from using any scripture here in accordance to your wishes. Now please respect my wishes and don't comment any more on this particular discussion.

Zed

**Lou Girardin** · 29th January 2004, 11:47

At the risk of indulging in a little schadenfreude, I was amused to see that 'pop star' Daniel Bedingfield is being charged over his little accident in Whangarei. Not only did God not protect one of his chosen ones, but this committed Christian will be a minor criminal as well as a sinner. That's double jeopardy. The rest of us only get punished once.
Lou

**Coldkiwi** · 29th January 2004, 11:59

so justice prevails lou? where's the problem with that? if we screw up (presuming he is indeed at fault), why shouldn't we get punished? Justice is a good thing!

On the larger melee going on here, can I say that I think no progress is being made on all the issues raised (other than Mike finding out that tangarakau gorge is still gravelled!!).

Perhaps if we all look carefully at the point of our posts (this thread only, not a blnaket statement) before adding them, we might loose a bit of the niggle and get back to the point... or indeed decide that we're on completely different tracks and that its pointless to continue.
There's no point in christians (or anyone) adding lengthy diatribe and scripture to a forum to try and prove God's existence (or creation or God's forgiveness for all etc.) to people who don't believe (or don't want to believe) in Him.
If anyone is serious about making philosophical/theological headway, send a PM to your fellow debater and organise a friendly meeting over a coffee!!

**MikeL** · 29th January 2004, 12:34

Hey CK you're spot on. What I find very sad about this ongoing dialogue of the deaf is the missed potential for some genuine open debate about something vitally important.
Although not a Christian in the conventional sense I have read and thought enough to know that behind the distracting facade of scripture-quoting, finger-pointing, hell-fire threatening and smug hypocrisy there is something real and valuable and worthwhile. Tolerance and open-mindedness and a modicum of intelligence are required, however...