Hardware Chest

[husaberg]

Question for those woody gentlemen. I don't like doing the painting thing, are there boards like melteca with the good finish on the outside of MDF that would be suitable? If so, what sort of things would need to be done to seal the cut edges after I cut them to size; needs to be proof against general shed oils/water of course.

Updated plans is 17 drawers, 10.8m2 of drawer space, and 6.3m2 of acrylic drawer dividers.

just seal it with polyurethane..........works on particle board etc as well

[bogan]

...you can get an edging for that kind of thing...an iron or heat applied to the edging to seal ...in saying that, none of the edged stuff is really high impact on the edges and the melamine laminate that you can buy from 2.4 x1.2 down to 1.x.200 are not cheap for what it is...more money buys quality but it starts getting expensive then...

Yeh my brother does a bit with that, I got 50+m of edges though...

just seal it with polyurethane..........woks on particle board etc as well

Cheers, that was about the answer I was hoping for.

[Ocean1]

Question for those woody gentlemen. I don't like doing the painting thing, are there boards like melteca with the good finish on the outside of MDF that would be suitable? If so, what sort of things would need to be done to seal the cut edges after I cut them to size; needs to be proof against general shed oils/water of course.

Updated plans is 17 drawers, 10.8m2 of drawer space, and 6.3m2 of acrylic drawer dividers.

MDF = cardboard.

Cardboard manufacturers have been trying to expand their market for fucking years by the simple expediency of claiming it's water/fire/oil/fungus proof. Without the slightest trace of evidence.

Cardboard in particular just loves to wick up moisture from anywhere up to several kilometres away, using the very same evel osmotic techniques it's native contributing shrubbery employed for the very same purpose in it's pre-reincarnated life, achieving hydraulic pressures that the pitiable technological attempts of mankind has yet to match.

The inevitable result of all this extraneous water co-existing with the cardboard under these extreme forces is that the physical, (and most notably the structural) properties of the cardboard becomes a lot less cardboard-like and rather a lot more water-like. The fact that this feature isn't necessarily one you'd ideally choose for an application requiring dimensional or structural integrity has never yet prevented cardboard salesmen selling it to otherwise no doubt intelligent people for use in projects calling for exactly those requirements.

Whole industries have succumbed to this effect, indeed whole industries have been invented, force fed cardboard salesmanship until critical market mass is achieved and then flogged off as supposedly viable businesses. The kitchen joinery industry springs to mind.

The only way known to man to prevent cardboard swelling to twice it's previous size immediately on the completion of any given project is to forcefully inject one of a number of resins into the microscopic intercies until the cardboard has swollen to twice it's size.

God didn't make trees as some sort of cosmic joke, y'know, and if he'd meant them to be minced and then steamrolled into cardboard it most certainly wouldn't have been to use the results as treewood. What's more, the careful cutting of suitable trees into thin slices has been known to produce material of a far superior utility for the purpose of building wooden shit.

[ellipsis]

Yeh my brother does a bit with that, I got 50+m of edges though...

...I decided against using it in a similar situation, just today, it is a prick of a job...I will be putting a couple of coats of ...(anything that forms a skin)...on them...

[ellipsis]

MDF = cardboard.

Cardboard manufacturers have been trying to expand their market for fucking years by the simple expediency of claiming it's water/fire/oil/fungus proof. Without the slightest trace of evidence.

Cardboard in particular just loves to wick up moisture from anywhere up to several kilometres away, using the very same evel osmotic techniques it's native contributing shrubbery employed for the very same purpose in it's pre-incarnated life, achieving hydraulic pressures that the pitiable technological attempts of mankind has yet to match.

The inevitable result of all this extraneous water co-existing with the cardboard under these extreme forces is that the physical, (and most notably the structural) properties of the cardboard becomes a lot less cardboard-like and rather a lot more water-like. The fact that this feature isn't necessarily one you'd ideally choose for an application requiring dimensional or structural integrity has never yet prevented cardboard salesmen selling it to otherwise no doubt intelligent people for use in projects calling for exactly those requirements.

Whole industries have succumbed to this effect, indeed whole industries have been invented, force fed cardboard salesmanship until critical market mass is achieved and then flogged off as supposedly viable businesses. The kitchen joinery industry springs to mind.

The only way known to man to prevent cardboard swelling to twice it's previous size immediately on the completion of any given project is to forcefully inject one of a number of resins into the microscopic intercies until the cardboard has swollen to twice it's size.

God didn't make trees as some sort of cosmic joke, y'know, and if he'd meant them to be minced and then steamrolled into cardboard it most certainly wouldn't have been to use the results as treewood. What's more, the careful cutting of suitable trees into thin slices has been known to produce material of a far superior utility for the purpose of building wooden shit.

...and that too...

[bogan]

MDF = cardboard.

Cardboard manufacturers have been trying to expand their market for fucking years by the simple expediency of claiming it's water/fire/oil/fungus proof. Without the slightest trace of evidence.

Cardboard in particular just loves to wick up moisture from anywhere up to several kilometres away, using the very same evel osmotic techniques it's native contributing shrubbery employed for the very same purpose in it's pre-reincarnated life, achieving hydraulic pressures that the pitiable technological attempts of mankind has yet to match.

The inevitable result of all this extraneous water co-existing with the cardboard under these extreme forces is that the physical, (and most notably the structural) properties of the cardboard becomes a lot less cardboard-like and rather a lot more water-like. The fact that this feature isn't necessarily one you'd ideally choose for an application requiring dimensional or structural integrity has never yet prevented cardboard salesmen selling it to otherwise no doubt intelligent people for use in projects calling for exactly those requirements.

Whole industries have succumbed to this effect, indeed whole industries have been invented, force fed cardboard salesmanship until critical market mass is achieved and then flogged off as supposedly viable businesses. The kitchen joinery industry springs to mind.

The only way known to man to prevent cardboard swelling to twice it's previous size immediately on the completion of any given project is to forcefully inject one of a number of resins into the microscopic intercies until the cardboard has swollen to twice it's size.

God didn't make trees as some sort of cosmic joke, y'know, and if he'd meant them to be minced and then steamrolled into cardboard it most certainly wouldn't have been to use the results as treewood. What's more, the careful cutting of suitable trees into thin slices has been known to produce material of a far superior utility for the purpose of building wooden shit.

Does cut down on the splinters though

My MDF desk/tools cab have held up well for the last 5 years with urethane/paint respectively.

[Erelyes]

Whole industries have succumbed to this effect, indeed whole industries have been invented, force fed cardboard salesmanship until critical market mass is achieved and then flogged off as supposedly viable businesses. The kitchen joinery industry springs to mind.

The only thing that stops a modern kitchen lasting for yonks is A) fashion, B) thin backings and carcasses (in the case of the real cheap shit, NO backings), and C) the fact they don't bother painting/sealing the underside of formica benchtops out of the factory.

[bogan]

Went with ply in the end, means I can go a bit thiner and still screw into the end grain for the drawers. Now I need some drawer liner stuff so shit doesn't blend in with the ply grain; was just thinking a plastic sheet typey thing, thin enough to buy in rolls and cheap enough to replace if it get marked or whatever.

[Ocean1]

Went with ply in the end, means I can go a bit thiner and still screw into the end grain for the drawers. Now I need some drawer liner stuff so shit doesn't blend in with the ply grain; was just thinking a plastic sheet typey thing, thin enough to buy in rolls and cheap enough to replace if it get marked or whatever.

Good man. Epoxy and fewer screws works well.

If you're serious or plan a few similar projects you might look at one of these: http://www.linbide.co.nz/product.php?c=86

[awayatc]

bought a house once of a joiner....
he loved MDF
build everything with it....
even his mailbox and dog kennel.
7 skips it took to clean up his mess....

Plywood is the answer

[Akzle]

duraseal, cnut.

[bogan]

All the things in all their places!

Still a little bit of work to do. I want to have the top draw double as a fold out cover to keep dust of the main work surface; and to put down a bit of stainless on said worksurface.

The LED strip lighting works fucking mint though, nice color temp, and diffuse/nondirectional that you don't get fucked off with shadows and bright spots on intricate works (which are already easier simply because it is standing-bench work height.

[nodrog:Me]

lucky you weren't in a hurry.

[Gremlin]

All the things in all their places!

Wow, that's mint.

Well, until you have something that doesn't fit the tray, or it's too high for the drawer...

[bogan]

lucky you weren't in a hurry.

Had it like that for about 6 months, just forgot to update the thread. Only courteous to let those who helped out know how it went.

Wow, that's mint.

Well, until you have something that doesn't fit the tray, or it's too high for the drawer...

It's for components and shit, not bigger stuff (I have other storage solutions for that of course), though the bottom drawers are both 100m high just in case.