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    "Silly Girls" reprised

    AFAIK this is the current law.

    Land Transport (Road User) Rule 200411.5 Entering crossings
    A pedestrian or a rider of a mobility device or wheeled recreational device must not suddenly enter a pedestrian crossing when an approaching vehicle is so close to the pedestrian crossing that the driver of the vehicle is unable to give way to the pedestrian or the driver or rider of the device.



    An exchange of Letters to the Editor, BLENHEIM.


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    As a driver I am becoming more and more concerned that pedestrians are getting confused about when to cross the road. People are walking straight out on to the pedestrian crossings in Blenheim, especially from Countdown to the library, without even looking for oncoming cars.

    I stopped to ask one woman why she didn't look and got the answer that it was my job to stop for her as she was on the crossing.

    She had absolutely no idea what the white diamond up the road meant - none at all.

    I asked around and it seems hardly anyone knows that the diamond on the road marks the safe distance for a car to stop for the pedestrian crossing. One kid thought it was decoration.

    That "decoration" means a car is required to stop for pedestrians if it is outside the diamond and the pedestrian is waiting at the crossing. If the car is inside the diamond mark, it is required to stop only if it is safe to do so - the pedestrian is required to let the car go first.

    Walking out in front of a car two metres from the crossing will get you killed and you will be at fault - not the driver.

    Please remember that you are flesh and bones and cars are metal and if you connect with one, it's you that will break first. That diamond is there for a reason and look for traffic - both ways, please.

    LEIGH MADDISON

    (400sm: that's the diamond rule I remember from my licence test in 1974. THIS RULE MAY NOT APPLY NOW.)

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    A response:

    I do not know where Leigh Maddison found the information regarding the white diamond markings on the roads before pedestrian crossings [letters, Marlborough Express, February 25].

    I have looked through the 2012-13 official Road Code book and the only references I can find regarding the white diamond is as follows:

    ■ Page 246: "White diamonds are generally painted on the road before a crossing and a white limit line shows where you have to stop."

    ■ Page 284: Question 528 of the learners licence theory test: "What does a white diamond on the road mean?" For the answer you are referred to page 246 as above.

    As far as I can tell, the only reason for the white diamond is to show road users they are approaching a pedestrian crossing, and not for the reasons Leigh Maddison states.

    WENDY WILSON

    Blenheim

    (400SM: Possibly a younger driver.)


    NZ Transport Agency spokeswoman Jan McCarthy responds:

    The white diamond markings on the road before pedestrian crossings are to warn drivers they are approaching a crossing. The markings are not intended to indicate to pedestrians when it is safe to cross. Since 2005, white diamonds have been optional to indicate the approach to a pedestrian crossing. However, road controlling authorities must now install pedestrian crossing warning signs and the road user rule requires a driver to give way to a pedestrian on a pedestrian crossing or a pedestrian who is obviously waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing, unless the pedestrian is under the control of a school patrol.

    (probably a law change. NZTA person probably is too young to remember.)

    The Original writer responds:

    Crossing rules

    In response to Wendy Wilson [letters, Express, March 4], I got my information from the NZTA website - from a publication dated 2009 regarding pedestrian planning guides. It was also what I was taught by the officer who took me for my driver's licence over three decades ago; back in the days when people were also taught to stop at pedestrian crossings and look both ways before crossing and not simply stroll out as though it was an extension of the footpath.

    I have had a chat with Jan McCarthy of the NZTA today and she was unaware of that publication herself. I will show her that crossing when she comes up for a visit.

    Publications aside, though, people need to think about what they are doing before they cross the road. Considering a car can travel 900 metres in one minute at 54kmh (yep, another NZTA publication), I would think you would want to err on the side of caution.

    After all, blood can be washed off a car, but it's a bit harder to wash a car off your body.

    LEIGH MADDISON

    Blenheim


    No matter what opinions are taken, THIS law is still FACT !


    Land Transport (Road User) Rule 200411.5 Entering crossings
    A pedestrian or a rider of a mobility device or wheeled recreational device must not suddenly enter a pedestrian crossing when an approaching vehicle is so close to the pedestrian crossing that the driver of the vehicle is unable to give way to the pedestrian or the driver or rider of the device.

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    Some people have too much time. Move on with your life, do something important, hug your kids, go outside, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Gayner View Post
    Some people have too much time. Move on with your life, do something important, hug your kids, go outside, whatever.
    It's 10pm BRO!!!!

    It's all copy and paste.
    Go and read my pointless drivel.
    Thanks for your rant ....or rave.

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    Kind of related are the fucking idiots who think that once a pedestrian has crossed in front of you on a marked pedestrian crossing you have to wait until they get to the footpath on the other side before moving off. Hand your fucking licence in and shoot yourself.

    But it's true, people used to be told that if you started crossing the road before the car reached the diamond they had to stop. The diamond meant nothing but an advanced warning, but that is how NZ road rules develop. So they changed the rule and now you have to give way to someone who is obviously standing at the side of the road waiting to cross, which makes perfect sense considering how inconsiderate NZ drivers are in general. If the NZTA rep does not know of the Pedestrian Planning and Design guide she should hand in her fucking licence as well. Wasn't Jan McCarthy a sailor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Kind of related are the fucking idiots who think that once a pedestrian has crossed in front of you on a marked pedestrian crossing you have to wait until they get to the footpath on the other side before moving off. Hand your fucking licence in and shoot yourself.


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    When I sat my license the road code clearly states that, whilst giving way to a pedestrian, you must not take off again until the pedestrian has either left the other side of the road or has entered a traffic island.

    It may just be bureaucracy, but it is the law, and if you don't want a ticket, you will wait patiently for the pedestrian to be off the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Kind of related are the fucking idiots who think that once a pedestrian has crossed in front of you on a marked pedestrian crossing you have to wait until they get to the footpath on the other side before moving off. Hand your fucking licence in and shoot yourself.

    But it's true, people used to be told that if you started crossing the road before the car reached the diamond they had to stop. The diamond meant nothing but an advanced warning, but that is how NZ road rules develop. So they changed the rule and now you have to give way to someone who is obviously standing at the side of the road waiting to cross, which makes perfect sense considering how inconsiderate NZ drivers are in general. If the NZTA rep does not know of the Pedestrian Planning and Design guide she should hand in her fucking licence as well. Wasn't Jan McCarthy a sailor?

    Is it Friday yet? I am holding it in.
    yeah, stuff the road code, its bollocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haydes55 View Post
    When I sat my license the road code clearly states that, whilst giving way to a pedestrian, you must not take off again until the pedestrian has either left the other side of the road or has entered a traffic island.

    It may just be bureaucracy, but it is the law, and if you don't want a ticket, you will wait patiently for the pedestrian to be off the road.
    The Road Code is just handy hints and pretty pictures and has no legal status. There is no actual rule that says you have to wait for a pedestrian to get back on the footpath.

    Funny, the link posted above actually gives you this- "wait until the pedestrian has crossed in front of you and is clear of your vehicle before you proceed - see give way rules". The Road Code must be getting better, but if I really want to know a rule I would go to the legislation it is based on.

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    I have been abused countless times by fuckwits who get upset at me slowing down to 20kmh for a stopped schoolbus. I thought that is what I was supposed to do. Mostly I just stop after that kind of abuse anyway, that makes em worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    I have been abused countless times by fuckwits who get upset at me slowing down to 20kmh for a stopped schoolbus. I thought that is what I was supposed to do. Mostly I just stop after that kind of abuse anyway, that makes em worse.
    Same here I'd catch the Bay view ones in morning when my truck was running late. That's one law you don't want to be breaking and a definite go to jail if something bad happens. The behaviour of some of the buses needs to be looked at, some of them pull up across a side road so technically they are off the road you are on and people think they have some legal out to not slow. But the high potential for tragedy is still there.
    As for pedestrian crossings with no island, if you stay stopped it might just alert traffic coming other way that hasn't clicked yet to small kid crossing.

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    So hit the silly fuckers .. it's called Survival of the Fittest ... If these stupid people can't survive in an urban environment then Fuck 'em ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by unstuck View Post
    I have been abused countless times by fuckwits who get upset at me slowing down to 20kmh for a stopped schoolbus. I thought that is what I was supposed to do. Mostly I just stop after that kind of abuse anyway, that makes em worse.
    So true!

    I slow down and if another vehicle is arround (either way) I flick my hazard lights on ... seems to work but then I am in the country most times!

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    One of the biggest differences I noticed about drivers in the UK when I lived there in the nineties, was they were shit scared of knocking someone over on a pedestrian crossing. Not a bad mindset really! And pedestrians there will just step out without looking, and a lot of the time too not just randomly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    Kind of related are the fucking idiots who think that once a pedestrian has crossed in front of you on a marked pedestrian crossing you have to wait until they get to the footpath on the other side before moving off. Hand your fucking licence in and shoot yourself.
    I do know someone who was prosecuted for driving off before the pedestrian had reached t'other side...a wee while ago now though. Dunno if that rule is still current.
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    In Taupo we have several raised paved pedestrian crossing areas that are not marked as standard pedestrian crossings and they even have signs informing pedestrians that they must give way to vehicles.

    Doesn't stop the idiots from walking straight out in front of you though.

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