Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

[mashman]

So you've got nothing...tell us again how educated you are.

Nothing you understand in other words... so obviously to an exponentially higher degree than you make yourself out to be.

[Oscar]

Nothing you understand in other words... so obviously to an exponentially higher degree than you make yourself out to be.

Oh dear.
The crux of your argument, summed up in your own words is:

It's not.
You know nothing.

You make some stupid comment about education fees and then procede to go around in circles.
You are very silly.

[mashman]

Oh dear.
The crux of your argument, sumed up in your own words is:



You make some stupid comment about education fees and then procede to go around in circles.
You are very silly.

Stupid comment. I rest my case.

[Brian d marge]

Wow, you must get tired jumping to stupid conclusions.
Due to my immigration status, what tertiary education I had in NZ, I paid for myself.

So no I didn't take advantage of anything.

If you were in a university before the reforms of the early to mis 80s , Even IF you paided full wack , the courses were cheaper due to the funding model applied at that time . Enter The Shipley , and the model changed , off top of head , doctoring went from 1000 per year to 10 000 and dentistry went to 23000

and you didnt leave with a loan into 30 to 50 000 dollar mark , with interest on that each year .....no the fees were much cheaper allowing one to stand a chance of paying them ,

Did we take advantage of a busary , and maybe work part time ... live at home did we???

or did we work full time and study in the evenings .....


I smell bullshit , mixed with liberal doses of stupid

Stephen

[Shaun Harris]

Just for a laugh and to kill a bit of time before Motogp starts.

Why should university students not have to pay for there own education and future chosen proffessional carreer paths that they will earn serious money from?

Engineers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, Trades People, just as important as any field learned at university have to pay a shit load in terms of labour supplied for a piss poor income whilst they are learning how to become trades people to take care of our world for us, so they are paying in a round about way.


Now we come to university trades people as such, ( Lawyer $200-00 Phr + + ) when you finish YOUR chosen education path to a career YOU choose, in theory you will be on a good healthy income, so why should you not have to pay towards your own healthy financual future, just because years and years ago your granny or grand pa did not have to, so what folks, the world has changed.

If a farmer wants to earn more money, they have to borrow more money to buy more stock and PAY the bank interest on the loan for there chosen Proffessional career path, so what is the dam difference?
If you do not like it, become a painter or an electrician, but you will still pay for your training/education by getting paid shit hourly rate for a few years of your training for a hard 40+ hour working week.

[yokel]

If you were in a university before the reforms of the early to mis 80s , Even IF you paided full wack , the courses were cheaper due to the funding model applied at that time . Enter The Shipley , and the model changed , off top of head , doctoring went from 1000 per year to 10 000 and dentistry went to 23000

and you didnt leave with a loan into 30 to 50 000 dollar mark , with interest on that each year .....no the fees were much cheaper allowing one to stand a chance of paying them ,

Did we take advantage of a busary , and maybe work part time ... live at home did we???

or did we work full time and study in the evenings .....


I smell bullshit , mixed with liberal doses of stupid

Stephen

People that wave their "education" around like it's something to behold are fools.
only real benefit is the potential to buy more useless crap to than someone else

[Woodman]

Just for a laugh and to kill a bit of time before Motogp starts.

Why should university students not have to pay for there own education and future chosen proffessional carreer paths that they will earn serious money from?

Engineers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, Trades People, just as important as any field learned at university have to pay a shit load in terms of labour supplied for a piss poor income whilst they are learning how to become trades people to take care of our world for us, so they are paying in a round about way.


Now we come to university trades people as such, ( Lawyer $200-00 Phr + + ) when you finish YOUR chosen education path to a career YOU choose, in theory you will be on a good healthy income, so why should you not have to pay towards your own healthy financual future, just because years and years ago your granny or grand pa did not have to, so what folks, the world has changed.

If a farmer wants to earn more money, they have to borrow more money to buy more stock and PAY the bank interest on the loan for there chosen Proffessional career path, so what is the dam difference?
If you do not like it, become a painter or an electrician, but you will still pay for your training/education by getting paid shit hourly rate for a few years of your training for a hard 40+ hour working week.

Agree, its a bit elitist of the guys on here thinking that "educated" people should not have student loans, yet "'working" people should have to borrow just as much to start a trade business.

[bogan]

Big picture, look at it as a govt investment, educated people make the big bucks so govt gets the big tax (loopholes notwithstanding).

Practical picture, judging by some wasters who go to uni to fuck around, free education is going to make shit all difference to ROI from the actual educated ones. Better off spending that money on ensuring the education they get is of better quality.

I haven't been paying that much attention, is labour trying to vote buy the students again?

[mashman]

People that wave their "education" around like it's something to behold are fools.
only real benefit is the potential to buy more useless crap to than someone else

Slaves to history and convention.

[Ocean1]

I haven't been paying that much attention, is labour trying to vote buy the students again?

Oh no, the local village idiots don't need an actual reason to bitch about having to pay for anything themselves.

Which is, as ever, everyone else's fault. In fact it's unlikely the changes to tertiary education in question would have made it through if the voters supporting them weren't heartily sick and tired of paying for the thousands of BAs majoring in Art History that had no chance of ever repaying that debt, and in fact no intention of ever doing so.

I remember thinking at the time that a fairly large and expensive slice of self-perpetuating academia was probably now mercifully redundant. I was probably wrong, having since seen the huge growth in culturally oriented underwater basket weaving courses sold to prospective tourism industry employees. I was obviously wrong about the sort of people that spent other's money unwisely too, idiots will waste their own just as quickly.

[Oscar]

If you were in a university before the reforms of the early to mis 80s , Even IF you paided full wack , the courses were cheaper due to the funding model applied at that time . Enter The Shipley , and the model changed , off top of head , doctoring went from 1000 per year to 10 000 and dentistry went to 23000

and you didnt leave with a loan into 30 to 50 000 dollar mark , with interest on that each year .....no the fees were much cheaper allowing one to stand a chance of paying them ,

Did we take advantage of a busary , and maybe work part time ... live at home did we???

or did we work full time and study in the evenings .....


I smell bullshit , mixed with liberal doses of stupid

Stephen

Someone with your reading comprehension, spelling and grammar skills is ill-advised to call anyone stupid.
If you have a student loan, you could probably make a case for a refund by showing the authorities the drivel that you post here.

[Oscar]

Just for a laugh and to kill a bit of time before Motogp starts.

Why should university students not have to pay for there own education and future chosen proffessional carreer paths that they will earn serious money from?

Engineers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians, Trades People, just as important as any field learned at university have to pay a shit load in terms of labour supplied for a piss poor income whilst they are learning how to become trades people to take care of our world for us, so they are paying in a round about way.


Now we come to university trades people as such, ( Lawyer $200-00 Phr + + ) when you finish YOUR chosen education path to a career YOU choose, in theory you will be on a good healthy income, so why should you not have to pay towards your own healthy financual future, just because years and years ago your granny or grand pa did not have to, so what folks, the world has changed.

If a farmer wants to earn more money, they have to borrow more money to buy more stock and PAY the bank interest on the loan for there chosen Proffessional career path, so what is the dam difference?
If you do not like it, become a painter or an electrician, but you will still pay for your training/education by getting paid shit hourly rate for a few years of your training for a hard 40+ hour working week.

Well said, that man.
Plus you could add in the Doctors and Dentists who, having received their subsidised education, fuck off overseas for the bigger bucks..

[MisterD]

Agree, its a bit elitist of the guys on here thinking that "educated" people should not have student loans, yet "'working" people should have to borrow just as much to start a trade business.

"Elitist" is thinking that University education could continue to be subsidised, if we we limited it to people clever enough to get in. An degree might still be worth something, if that were the case.

This whole thing of maximising the number of people that go to University has acheived precisely two things: degrees worth squat and student debt.

[oldrider]

"Elitist" is thinking that University education could continue to be subsidised, if we we limited it to people clever enough to get in. An degree might still be worth something, if that were the case.

This whole thing of maximising the number of people that go to University has acheived precisely two things: degrees worth squat and student debt.

I think you will find University has always been accessable "past age of majority and subject to cost"! (user pays)

I may be wrong but that was my understanding (way) back in the day!

[Shaun Harris]

Well said, that man.
Plus you could add in the Doctors and Dentists who, having received their subsidised education, fuck off overseas for the bigger bucks..

And do not pay there loans back untill we the tax payer has wasted a shit load more money chasing them for what they owe us