Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

[Laava]

That will be entirely up to you. I'm not being obtuse, everything, including work, is voluntary. Cooperate and it'll all work swimmingly.

Oh, you mean just like the current system?

[Laava]

Sounded like it "what do the tenants give me in the way of rent/koha?". Does it really matter what happens so long as you don't lose anything?

You realise that both my questions were hypothetical? But am interested in a serious answer.

[oldrider]

Money free party I would think, failed to get enough backers to even get on the ballot this time around; so I'm glad to see democracy still works at least at some level.

Every political party has a degree of something valuable to offer but they are all equally capable of failing for the same reason ... MONEY!

Notice the way (if for nothing else) that Honi Harawera has advanced his publicity and chances with the financial backing of that new NZ resident Dot.com!

If any government took back control of issuing and cancelling our own government credit and debt their political favour and success would sky-rocket!

As Rothschild said and did: "give me control of the finances of the world, I care not who makes the laws"! Now he and his mates control the world!

The important political issue for New Zealand is always finance but we give financial control away to private banking institutions and pay them to fleece us blind!

Instead of focussing on this real issue we focus on the circus of distraction that is thrown up to divert us ... I.E. Niki Harga's witch hunt and gossip feast!

The media (general) and MMP assure that the status quo remains in place and nothing threatening it ever gains momentum before they quietly snuff it out!

The only party offering to tackle the money problem is Democrates for Social Credit [http://www.democrats.org.nz/ ] how mutch traction do they get in the media?

[mashman]

You realise that both my questions were hypothetical? But am interested in a serious answer.

I do NOW (snigger), yes. The simplest way to put it is. What do you want? That's not meant to sound all ooooooo, but what you want is basically what it comes down to. In the meantime i.e. there will have to be a transition process, would you be willing to do something that your country requires? If the answer to the last question is yes for a majority, then it becomes a reality. Again, there's no oooooooo in those "answers". To that end the answers I've already given stand. I know that society would be better off running under an R.B.E. for so many reasons it's taken me however many years to throw out however many hypothetical answers to hypothetical questions. The reactions have been educational .

Do you trust me to do my part?

[bogan]

Yeah, well, one thing at a time. The cashless society is how society started out and then currency in all it's forms must have evolved into the present day system over many thousands of years. I cannot see in my head a way that getting rid of currency in all it's forms will work. The fat german and his mate are just billboard faces and will never be anything more than that. They could not possibly pull enough support.

Yeh, but way back when grok just took all our stuff cos he had a bigger club; barter and money has made things fairer and more civilised overall.

I think it can work, but it will be when it is superceded and no longer needed; it won't get majority voted in, and in that it is in the same bin as them two plonkers.

The only party offering to tackle the money problem is Democrates for Social Credit [http://www.democrats.org.nz/ ] how mutch traction do they get in the media?

Sounds like it is time to give them some here then. All the theory of A+B etc hurts my head atm though, so in simple terms, there are changes to the govt/bank finanical systems, but as consumers we can still use banks and borrow money for things etc?

[mashman]

Oh, you mean just like the current system?

Sorry, missed this one. I would imagine so, yes. Except without financial constraint on every facet of life (healthcare, education, poverty, financially related crime etc...). I'd call it an improvement... you might not.

[Laava]

I do NOW (snigger), yes. The simplest way to put it is. What do you want? That's not meant to sound all ooooooo, but what you want is basically what it comes down to. In the meantime i.e. there will have to be a transition process, would you be willing to do something that your country requires? If the answer to the last question is yes for a majority, then it becomes a reality. Again, there's no oooooooo in those "answers". To that end the answers I've already given stand. I know that society would be better off running under an R.B.E. for so many reasons it's taken me however many years to throw out however many hypothetical answers to hypothetical questions. The reactions have been educational .

Do you trust me to do my part?

Sounds to me like you are saying the whole of society would have to change so that everyone has a similar mindset so that everyone can work together as a team. Trying not to make it sound like a utopian communist society but is that the jist of what you are getting at?

[mashman]

Sounds to me like you are saying the whole of society would have to change so that everyone has a similar mindset so that everyone can work together as a team. Trying not to make it sound like a utopian communist society but is that the jist of what you are getting at?

lol, that's a rather simplistic way to look at it, but to answer your question, yes and no. There is no magic switch that can be flicked and everyone is lovely lovely happy happy, but if there aren't financial problems complicating people's lives they may actually have a shot at joining in with what we utopians are trying to accomplish for mankind (poetic wankery for brevity's sake). And when I say utopian, I mean that utopia is a loose goal given that we innovate and will therefore continuously improve and never actually reach utopia. Whether we get there is irrelevant, but I believe that we should make a start given the way things are going. Scumbags will be scumbags, meh, let them be... still doesn't make them useless and beyond change.

[Laava]

K, fair enough.

[Brian d marge]

Yeh, but way back when grok just took all our stuff cos he had a bigger club; barter and money has made things fairer and more civilised overall.

It was when we transitioned from Hunter/gatherer society to one that took up farming , thats when the bigger club took effect. If you think about it , if you have spent all summer growing stuff and someone comes along and takes it , your sharing belief system goes out the window
from then its all downhill Im afraid


Stephen

[Hinny]

Good.
Fucking.
Greif.

Nobody with any credibility can use morgan as a reference.

He has as much credibility as the Sunday Times I would venture .

The Billionaires from Mumbai are not likely to be Poms. whereas the list from the Sunday Times only had one Pom in the top ten.
Hardly a credible list.

As for Britain's debt - the figure of 400% of GDP obviously includes private debt.

[yokel]

It was when we transitioned from Hunter/gatherer society to one that took up farming , thats when the bigger club took effect. If you think about it , if you have spent all summer growing stuff and someone comes along and takes it , your sharing belief system goes out the window
from then its all downhill Im afraid


Stephen

no, we're hunter/gatherer human beings and still are, we go out hunting for dollars and the woman go gathering shiny shit with it, but now they've pretty much tuned dudes in to chicks eg. David Cunliffe

when society collapses then you'll get a real taste of what human beings are all about.
I'm a fucking CAVE MAN! haha

[Laava]

So Yokel, why is society going to collapse? What will set this in motion?

[yokel]

the collective human psyche, we are like frogs in a pot.

why do think Cunliffe is ashamed of is male identity?
whats going to happen to the solo mothers on the DPB when the kids leave home? just happily go out to the work force?
one of my tenance is a solo, she is not capable of working but lucky she just got knocked up so I'll be getting all that rent money from the government.

[wingnutt]

I'm thinking of voting and leaving a blank page, I no confidence in any of them, and it just encourages the buggers