Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

[oldrider]

So Yokel, why is society going to collapse? What will set this in motion?

Money! .... Money! .... Money! Nothing else needs be said!

[bogan]

It was when we transitioned from Hunter/gatherer society to one that took up farming , thats when the bigger club took effect. If you think about it , if you have spent all summer growing stuff and someone comes along and takes it , your sharing belief system goes out the window
from then its all downhill Im afraid


Stephen

Exactly why we are not ready for an RBE or other resource allocation system where there is a large disconnect between effort/reward. Money solves that, no it isn't perfect but it is a damn sight better than any other idea put forward.

[oldrider]

Exactly why we are not ready for an RBE or other resource allocation system where there is a large disconnect between effort/reward. Money solves that, no it isn't perfect but it is a damn sight better than any other idea put forward.

The money system is good when it is doing it's proper job working for people/communities etc and not against them!

Currently the system is being used erroneously by some groups simply for the power they exact from it and simply because we let them get away with it!

[mashman]

So Yokel, why is society going to collapse? What will set this in motion?

We all fiddle while Rome burns. It may well be a slow burn, but it'll catch fire soon enough. Thank god the world has nuclear weapons.

[mashman]

Exactly why we are not ready for an RBE or other resource allocation system where there is a large disconnect between effort/reward. Money solves that, no it isn't perfect but it is a damn sight better than any other idea put forward.

Did you ask everybody? Or simply decide on their behalf?

[mashman]

The money system is good when it is doing it's proper job working for people/communities etc and not against them!

Currently the system is being used erroneously by some groups simply for the power they exact from it and simply because we let them get away with it!

It quite obviously isn't. There is no reset button here. Even if money was completely debt free there would still be these problems, that or we'd end up all being gazillionnaires and bread would be a gazzillion galactic futons. That's the road on which money and the influence on human behaviour lies. That's all it has ever been. It is the ultimate control and the ultimate weapon. It keeps billions starving. Yada yada. Come, move towards the light

[bogan]

Did you ask everybody? Or simply decide on their behalf?

Did you? The lack of 500 backers for the money free thingo speaks volumes. That's around 0.01% of people in NZ btw. Democracy works, and has spoken.

[Ocean1]

It quite obviously isn't. There is no reset button here. Even if money was completely debt free there would still be these problems

From the perspective of one who's money is completely debt free the only problems are those who want it without having earned it.

Might I suggest that if you want a say in how resources are allocated that you earn that say. Quite a few have found that works just fine, y'know.

The very best change we could make is to remove the huge distortions in resource allocation caused by political parties buying votes by promising to give resources to those that haven't earned them. We need to start charging people to vote.

Couple of $k each orta keep the tealeaves at home.

[Brian d marge]

Money! .... Money! .... Money! Nothing else needs be said!

Which one are you.. the blonde?



Stephen

[Brian d marge]

From the perspective of one who's money is completely debt free the only problems are those who want it without having earned it.

Might I suggest that if you want a say in how resources are allocated that you earn that say. Quite a few have found that works just fine, y'know.

The very best change we could make is to remove the huge distortions in resource allocation caused by political parties buying votes by promising to give resources to those that haven't earned them. We need to start charging people to vote.

Couple of $k each orta keep the tealeaves at home.

money is debt , someone, somewhere took out a loan

the banks printed 9x that loan

and you are using / used it

Nope , ya need a debt free system that allows trade a modern day tally stick ........

Many communitys are already operating without cash on a simplistic level , I cant see why in communitys of around 200 people can use a completely ( or as close to ) cash free society it may even .... flourish

but that aint going to happen cause the * man* needs his cut of the action ....

Stephen

[Ocean1]

money is debt , someone, somewhere took out a loan

the banks printed 9x that loan

and you are using / used it

Yes. Restating the same basic sentence ad nauseum doesn't actually make it true.

Except insomuch as I'll allow that my money does actually entail debt. The banks are in debt to me.

Might I recommend that arrangement? I find it a sovereign remedy for absolutely all of the ills that you in particular feel so threatened by.

[Brian d marge]

Yes. Restating the same basic sentence ad nauseum doesn't actually make it true.

Except insomuch as I'll allow that my money does actually entail debt. The banks are in debt to me.

Might I recommend that arrangement? I find it a sovereign remedy for absolutely all of the ills that you in particular feel so threatened by.

and I am the queen of sheba .........


Stephen

[mashman]

Did you? The lack of 500 backers for the money free thingo speaks volumes. That's around 0.01% of people in NZ btw. Democracy works, and has spoken.

It does speak volumes. People are changing their minds. These are people just like you and me and ocean and oscar and anyone else on here. They're agreeing to do what it takes to get an R.B.E. off the ground. I have no issue with you denying that people are ready for it. They'll learn and things will change. It may take a few years, but people representing R.B.E.'s will crop up all over the country. I don't see it taking long. As long as one is open to the idea of doing what it takes. That democracy has worked is an absolute comfort to me. I'm banking on democracy being instrumental in the ascension, snigger, of R.B.E. parties.

[unstuck]

[mashman]

From the perspective of one who's money is completely debt free the only problems are those who want it without having earned it.

Might I suggest that if you want a say in how resources are allocated that you earn that say. Quite a few have found that works just fine, y'know.

The very best change we could make is to remove the huge distortions in resource allocation caused by political parties buying votes by promising to give resources to those that haven't earned them. We need to start charging people to vote.

Couple of $k each orta keep the tealeaves at home.

Seriously. What are you going to lose?

I'm working on it.

No. Not to those who have earned them, but to those who will manufacture what we really require. Put your thinking cap on, is there anything imparticular you'd like to build? Other than a cage for me, man. heh.

The allocation of resources is priority one for an R.B.E. We all require resources, but we build way too much crap with no other real intent than making $. It ain't utopia, it's people building to a common goal and everyone wins, even the greens . Praps the twats (those you perceive as twats) will end up giving us a hand. If they don't (you will be supporting them anyway), the generations coming out of school will understand what an R.B.E. is and the reason that we live in one. Instant behavioural change.

So you are willing to pay them