Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

**MisterD** · 30th August 2014, 20:42

Originally Posted by Katman

(And in case anyone's been asleep this afternoon.....)

Ding dong, the witch is dead.

I've seen no news out of New York to that effect.

**blue rider** · 30th August 2014, 21:56

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Updated 8:50pm: Cameron Slater is laying a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner over John Key releasing an email which led to the resignation of Judith Collins.

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland...ins-to-resign-

**mstriumph** · 30th August 2014, 22:08

Originally Posted by Ocean1

What, and have the great unwashed presume to tell me how to do my job?

Besides, the pay's shit.

excuses, excuses

**oneblackflag** · 30th August 2014, 23:23

Originally Posted by gjm

A bizarre thing happened a couple of days ago.

I met Colin Craig........

I've looked into the Conservatives more lately. There is certainly more to them than the joke mainstream media makes them out to be. Some depth at the top of the list opposed to other National alternates. Some decent policy in my opinion.

**Brian d marge** · 31st August 2014, 02:51

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/news...lery_id=145153

hahahahahaahaha the truth does haunt you sometimes

Stephen

**MisterD** · 31st August 2014, 08:41

Originally Posted by oneblackflag

Some decent policy in my opinion.

It's a hodgepodge of populist sound bites with no cohesion. Tax-free threshold is a good idea, flatter tax is a good idea, but their combination of those two leaves a fucking great hole even before you throw in their extra spending promises.

http://www.act.org.nz/posts/conserva...-are-dishonest

Craig seems to fancy himself as the Kiwi Nigel Farage. He isn't, not by a long chalk.

**oldrider** · 31st August 2014, 08:58

Originally Posted by oneblackflag

I've looked into the Conservatives more lately. There is certainly more to them than the joke mainstream media makes them out to be. Some depth at the top of the list opposed to other National alternates. Some decent policy in my opinion.

You are committing a social crime in New Zealand ... "thinking for yourself is definitely discouraged here"

The media will have you hacked drawn and quartered for that!

**oneblackflag** · 31st August 2014, 09:20

Originally Posted by MisterD

It's a hodgepodge of populist sound bites with no cohesion. Tax-free threshold is a good idea, flatter tax is a good idea, but their combination of those two leaves a fucking great hole even before you throw in their extra spending promises.

http://www.act.org.nz/posts/conserva...-are-dishonest

Craig seems to fancy himself as the Kiwi Nigel Farage. He isn't, not by a long chalk.

I can't say I've seen any extra spending promises in their policy. More of promises to spend less.

There only seems to be Acts analysis of the tax proposal floating around, who knows how realistic that is; I'd need some more independent analysis, and the Conservatives responce to judge; as it stands it's an interesting point.

**Ocean1** · 31st August 2014, 09:21

Originally Posted by MisterD

Tax-free threshold is a good idea, flatter tax is a good idea, but their combination of those two leaves a fucking great hole even before you throw in their extra spending promises.

Pffft. The day you have to cost policy and have your job depend on the results to become a government is the day politicians will be as honest as their private sector funding managers.

Although I note that ACT has at least supplied projections based on current treasury data. Pity they don't have much hope in a contest based on buying the votes of non-contributors.

**MisterD** · 31st August 2014, 09:22

It's just maths, Whyte "shows his workings" in exam-speak

**oneblackflag** · 31st August 2014, 09:26

Originally Posted by oldrider

You are committing a social crime in New Zealand ... "thinking for yourself is definitely discouraged here"

The media will have you hacked drawn and quartered for that!

Yes, I think mentioning the Conservatives should have the same effect

**Ocean1** · 31st August 2014, 09:34

Originally Posted by MisterD

It's just maths, Whyte "shows his workings" in exam-speak

And it's even slightly believable. Which was my point, most don't even bother, they know the one true faith will believe them and the rest won't.

And while my vote is for sale along with the rest it's not for sale to anyone who can't even be fucked making a believable promise let alone actually stick to it after election day.

**Woodman** · 31st August 2014, 09:47

I don't vote labour, but do like their policy of no secondary tax on second jobs etc. Not that I work two jobs, but its a good policy cos a lot of people do.

**gjm** · 31st August 2014, 10:38

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Although I note that ACT has at least supplied projections based on current treasury data.

Labour tried that. Then found that the figures National had quoted were, errmm, 'misleading'. Key then jumped on National saying they couldn't do sums.

Another thing on TV this morning. Labour & National bods being interviewed. And the same modus operandi. Labour seem to be trying to present something, while National continually cite 'ridiculous', 'rubbish', 'not the case', 'not possible' and so on.

It is increasingly seeming the case that National have realised they cannot present a credible proposition, and are changing tack to discredit everyone else instead. They'll settle for getting in on a 'best of a bad lot' ticket, rather than actually offering any solutions.

**Madness** · 31st August 2014, 11:46

Originally Posted by oneblackflag

I've looked into the Conservatives more lately. There is certainly more to them than the joke mainstream media makes them out to be. Some depth at the top of the list opposed to other National alternates. Some decent policy in my opinion.

A bunch of fucking wacko's if you ask me... http://stuff.co.nz/national/politics...s-suicide-link