Elections are coming up. What are we thinking?

[MisterD]

To start with, it's not your money.

How about, fuck off. What I receive for the application of my skills and my time, is my money, not yours or anyone elses.

[oldrider]

You mean this???

Well no, I meant GDI (Gross Domestic Income) against GDP (Gross Domestic Product) for the same period, the difference is the basis and ratio 9/1 for new money!

The only purpose of production is consumption, there is never enough income generated to consume production, therefore the difference has to be created.

That money is social money and can be created as credit or an interest bearing debt ... the world insists on social debt and governments borrow it from the banks!

The same can be done by the various governments by creating the money themselves as a social credit without the crippling interest bearing debt!

So why are all the countries of the world in debt to the private commercial banks when they could simply create the new money themselves and lend it to the banks?

I thought it would be interesting to show the GDI along with the GDP for the same period and look at the difference!

[mashman]

How about, fuck off. What I receive for the application of my skills and my time, is my money, not yours or anyone elses.

Ok wrong end of the stick boy, it's your money, noone can take it off you.......... except the govt. I'll assume you don't pay tax then.

[Ocean1]

So....less tax....more money in the individuals pocket but......who pays for the hospitals, schools, police, defense forces, energy supplies....... infrastructure that keeps the country a viable, functioning proposition as opposed to a neanderthal subsistence society. (unfair on Neanderthals, who, apparently, had a very coherent society on a small scale, but....)
Everyone is quite happy to use all this, indeed, expect it as of right and a given to their normal everyday living, but no one seems to want to pay for any of it........

I think it's more about the price than the actual product. Any public service is by default a monopoly and it's generally accepted that monopolies don't often produce the value for expenditure that providers exposed to competitive pressure do.

There's probably a good compromise, there somewhere, but discussions like that get completely buried under angry rhetoric defending entrenched ideological positions.

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[mashman]

I think it's more about the price than the actual product. Any public service is by default a monopoly and it's generally accepted that monopolies don't often produce the value for expenditure that providers exposed to competitive pressure do.

There's probably a good compromise, there somewhere, but discussions like that get completely buried under angry rhetoric defending entrenched ideological positions.

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competition keeps the market honest.

Fortunately not everyone isn't so open minded that they're blinded by the rhetoric and so ignore the intent. I believe a catchy nickname and a nice smile helps though.

Meanwhile some light entertainment

[Brian d marge]

I think it's more about the price than the actual product. Any public service is by default a monopoly and it's generally accepted that monopolies don't often produce the value for expenditure that providers exposed to competitive pressure do.

There's probably a good compromise, there somewhere, but discussions like that get completely buried under angry rhetoric defending entrenched ideological positions.

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Public services are indeed a monopoly

A controlled one

Stephen

Ps , unfortuantly controlled by the uncontrolled greedy lunatics

[yokel]

governments are like a fire brigade full of arsonists.
they should stick to governing people and not trying to fucking help them.

I see the KB poll has labour at 13.73%, good fucking job

[oldrider]

governments ... they should stick to governing.

True but just what are the core activities of government today? ... How many people should it require to complete the task?

When you ask your self these questions it doesn't take long to realise that we are vastly over governed in New Zealand! ... Why is that?

[mashman]

Rich Osmaston - Nelson.
Glen Timms - Northland.
Jordan Osmaston - Auckland Central.
Ted Howard - Kaikoura.
Laurence Boomert - West Coast/t

MFP, well, independent candidates that could use a protest vote or a genuine vote. Just sayin.

[Brian d marge]

Rich Osmaston - Nelson.
Glen Timms - Northland.
Jordan Osmaston - Auckland Central.
Ted Howard - Kaikoura.
Laurence Boomert - West Coast/t

MFP, well, independent candidates that could use a protest vote or a genuine vote. Just sayin.

Same name

Not voting for imbreds are we

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

Sacking Bruiser Collins , Im starting to think might have actually been a plan stan........

She steps down ....

Then goes off , like a seemingly loose cannon , actually fed the party line

cunlife is a moron for example


Then National get back in and lo and behold she is back in the feed trough .......


Stephen

[SPman]

I think it's more about the price than the actual product. Any public service is by default a monopoly and it's generally accepted that monopolies don't often produce the value for expenditure that providers exposed to competitive pressure do.

There's probably a good compromise, there somewhere, but discussions like that get completely buried under angry rhetoric defending entrenched ideological positions.

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I actually agree with you. I may come across to some as a screaming lefty but taint neccessarily so. The whole concept of left/right is crap anyway.Some things I think could be taken as screaming autocratic right wing loony (by those who measure things that way), but, that's just me.
Anyway - governments and government bodies, like all large corporates tend to become clogged up like arteries and tend to lose sight of what they are meant to be doing, often under government direction...They can become little fiefdoms given over to personal egoes. They need a tailored clean out, from time to time a little bloodshed perhaps, to clear the air....people become too entrenched when they become too comfortable......

[yokel]

True but just what are the core activities of government today? ... How many people should it require to complete the task?

When you ask your self these questions it doesn't take long to realise that we are vastly over governed in New Zealand! ... Why is that?

we are over governed because it hands out money, people like free money.
the whole system is fucked, imagine if your boss/supervisor was voted in by the employees?

people now have a government needs to fix/help me out entitlement attitude,

[MisterD]

I'll assume you don't pay tax then.

I'm not stupid enough to argue with people with guns.

[oldrider]

we are over governed because it hands out money, people like free money.
the whole system is fucked, imagine if your boss/supervisor was voted in by the employees?

people now have a government needs to fix/help me out entitlement attitude,

People with no money can't buy goods and services .. trade diminishes, shops close, people are out of work!

Subsidise by paying beneficiaries funds to enable consumption ... it helps more than just the beneficiaries themselves .. it helps business, trade, employment, etc!

We are all therefore benificiaries by default but it is easier to blame the bottom feeders than to accept some responsibility ourselves!