Retiree shoots pregnant intruder

[nzspokes]

Nope. Didn't make me feel any better.
I did what I had to with as little force as possible. That didn't make me feel any better either.

What made me feel better was that only two of my bouncers needed medical attention. A third did not get hit a cross the back I the head with a beer handle. None of the patrons Were seriously hurt.


My point was more a measured response was delivered to remove the threat. Once removed mercy was shown.
No I was not elderly, but since when does being elderly give you the right to execute someone who has surrendered?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

He is 80. The female was still a threat. She is fitter and faster than him.

[Big Dog]

Being 80 does not make it right to execute someone begging for mercy.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Sharry]

Nope. Didn't make me feel any better.
I did what I had to with as little force as possible. That didn't make me feel any better either.

What made me feel better was that only two of my bouncers needed medical attention. A third did not get hit a cross the back I the head with a beer handle. None of the patrons Were seriously hurt.


My point was more a measured response was delivered to remove the threat. Once removed mercy was shown.
No I was not elderly, but since when does being elderly give you the right to execute someone who has surrendered?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

The obvious has been stated. he is 80 years old, has already been beaten to the ground in his own sanctuary and was not strong enough to over power his young assailants. I will not say that shooting or killing is right. But he lives in a country that allows him to have a gun and he felt he needed to defend himself.
By their behaviour to that point he may not have had enough reason to believe she held no further threat and was genuinly giving herself up to do no further harm. In her spot I would ask for mercy and even lie to get it and possably be lying and intending that this man does not get the chance to fire the gun.
When a court tells him he had no right to do that

[avgas]

Was she thinking about her unborn child when she was stomping on his head? When she broke into his property?

Probably not. But in the same regard - parents do dumb shit and we shouldn't blame kids for who they have as parents.

[avgas]

Any of you soft cocks out there ever tried holding an offender ( oh sorry,we're in NZ aye, an alleged offender) One of two remember.
Until the Police arrive? If they arrive.
Who together have already assaulted an 80 year old person to such a degree that they thought they were incapable of further fight, or had died.
Did they give a fuck?
What happens if the other one comes back?
Rules are different over there, in respect of your home being your castle, if you are caught and if you can be shot, you will be.
Too easy to say yeah,na shouldn't have done it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish both old and new.

(line by line)
Yes
No
Wasn't and 80 year old but yes
At the immediate time no, but later yes.
Shot them....once
Fair enough - but any moron can hit a coke can at 10 ft..........so no need to double tap
That video of his recount of the events is pretty black and white. He sounds like he wants to be called a hero for killing someone.......that is the sign of a psychopathic murderer (I'm not kidding - look it up).
Book and Cover much?

[avgas]

Not at all - an 80 year old man - even a very fit and active 80 year old man, is only going to get one shot (pun fully intended) at defending himself. If he just wounded her, there is entirely a possibility she could still overpower them (Mothering instinct can do funny things)
Also he used a .22 - so double tap to be sure

You are kidding me right? Did you hear his recount.
"She's dead, I'm sure"
"I shot her once. Then I walked up to her, she begged for her life, and I shot her again"

He wasn't disabling her, He wasn't scared, He didn't defensively shoot her again on a reaction, He was empowered and "Finishing the Job".
A hitman with a "justification".

I am sure he had more than 4 rounds - could have shot every limb and waited for the cops if he could "Walk up to her".

[avgas]

Excellent and fair comparison.

Oh don't get all namby pamby because I stuck a nerve. What if I am a fire man and you parked your motorbike next to a fire hydrant?
Do you think I would get in trouble if I shoved your illegally parked bike out of the way with the truck?
What if you parked on a driveway?

Fact is if you do something wrong - 2 wrongs might be legal........but doesn't make it right.

In this case he had every right to shoot an intruder - but a wise man would have disabled the intruder enough so the cop could some. What this chap did was kill someone on the second shot with the ability of planing/intent ("I walked up to her and shot her again, then she died"). (aka murder in the first degree).

Murder in the second degree is the grey area as that means he 'reacted'. But this was his intent - to shoot her dead. It was just he was unable to do this on first shot.

[MarkH]

Meh he could have just shot her once.......its the double tap that concerns me a little.

Yup, Murder... and thought the same thing in regards to holding her there. He could have shot her in the leg/kneecap to accomplish the not getting away thing.

Shoot her I the leg then let her choose to wait for the ambulance.

The big problem I see here is the lack of understanding of US law - you can't go wounding an intruder and then let them live!
There are plenty of cases of where someone has done exactly that and then been successfully sued, the stress of a lawsuit would probably kill an 80 year old man.
Also - wounded and fearful would make an intruder more dangerous, greater risk of them trying some desperate action that would kill the old man.

If the police decide to lay charges then how will they prove that the man didn't believe that his life was in imminent danger?
How could he know that this woman was incapable of overpowering him and taking his gun?
How could he know that the other scum wouldn't be back with a gun to save his pregnant girlfriend (making it 2 v 1)?

Sure he can take an attitude and say "she begged for mercy but I didn't give it", but there would be a different attitude presented by his lawyer in court. I don't believe the police would have a hope in hell of securing a conviction if they did decide to press charges.

[mashman]

The big problem I see here is the lack of understanding of US law - you can't go wounding an intruder and then let them live!
There are plenty of cases of where someone has done exactly that and then been successfully sued, the stress of a lawsuit would probably kill an 80 year old man.
Also - wounded and fearful would make an intruder more dangerous, greater risk of them trying some desperate action that would kill the old man.

If the police decide to lay charges then how will they prove that the man didn't believe that his life was in imminent danger?
How could he know that this woman was incapable of overpowering him and taking his gun?
How could he know that the other scum wouldn't be back with a gun to save his pregnant girlfriend (making it 2 v 1)?

Sure he can take an attitude and say "she begged for mercy but I didn't give it", but there would be a different attitude presented by his lawyer in court. I don't believe the police would have a hope in hell of securing a conviction if they did decide to press charges.

Fur sure the law will make an arse of it. In a perfect world we'd forgive and forget and put it down to stupid people making stupid decisions in the defence of and want for property. However it looks as though the guy is hanging himself with his statements, which for me, casts doubt about the justification to remove someone's life. But yeah, the court will have its dance, the jury will make their decision and the world will turn without really addressing the reason for the bastards breaking into his house for stuff in the first place.

[AllanB]

Was she black? ............

[nodrog:Me]

Being 80 does not make it right to execute someone begging for mercy.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

Being a Robbing piece of shit crackhead nigger bitch doesn't make it right to enter peoples homes and steal their stuff.

[Ocean1]

the world will turn without really addressing the reason for the bastards breaking into his house for stuff in the first place.

Who fucking cares? They're thieves. Violent ones. They had their chance and it's not actually relevant what their reason was, as of the moment they made that choice they're better off dead, and the sooner the better.

[Big Dog]

The big problem I see here is the lack of understanding of US law - you can't go wounding an intruder and then let them live!
There are plenty of cases of where someone has done exactly that and then been successfully sued, the stress of a lawsuit would probably kill an 80 year old man.
Also - wounded and fearful would make an intruder more dangerous, greater risk of them trying some desperate action that would kill the old man.

If the police decide to lay charges then how will they prove that the man didn't believe that his life was in imminent danger?
How could he know that this woman was incapable of overpowering him and taking his gun?
How could he know that the other scum wouldn't be back with a gun to save his pregnant girlfriend (making it 2 v 1)?

Sure he can take an attitude and say "she begged for mercy but I didn't give it", but there would be a different attitude presented by his lawyer in court. I don't believe the police would have a hope in hell of securing a conviction if they did decide to press charges.

I am not talking about someone's right in law. I am talking about doing the right thing.

So the boyfriend might be back with a tomahawk and a .44. Doesn't mean he is.

You are riding to work and draw level with a car. It is possible at this moment in time that the driver might pull into your space without indicating. Without evidence of the threat is it right for you to rage at the driver? Maybe put a hammer through his window?


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Big Dog]

Being a Robbing piece of shit crackhead nigger bitch doesn't make it right to enter peoples homes and steal their stuff.

I have not spoken of nor do I care for the legality. My interest is I the morality / humanity.
Someone else being a wretched excuse for a human being does not excuse you from being the better person.


If you sink to the depths of everyone who slights you it does not make you a vigilante hero, it makes you as bad as them.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[Tazz]

Oh don't get all namby pamby because I stuck a nerve.

I'm not getting namby pamby, I was calling it how it is, and it is a ridiculous comparison which along the lines of comparing rape to parking less than 6m from a curb

If you think those two things are on the same level or that burglary turned home invasion is the same as pushing someones bike over, then there is a loose connection in your swede/moral compass.