Tell us the politicians you like/dislike

[Swoop]

Interesting. Can you explain a bit more?

Fish and Game are a bit of a selective organisation. If a species is on their "like" list it gets one form of treatment and others less so. An approach of "all or nothing" in some areas of pest eradication comes at the cost to others.
Game animals and hunter's rights are another thorny issue (ask hunters and shooters, they will grumble...) and the quango approach imitates a lot of DoC mentality. For example, killing off (or trying to achieve this) all thar because they are an introduced species, yet bring international dollars here from hunters wishing to take home a trophy which is regarded as a pest instead of a resource.

Their choice of traps and animal management approach, really indicate a committee approach (an elephant is really a horse designed by a committee!).

riiiiiiight. "reality check"

that usually means "its OK for your cows to shit in our rivers because squeezing cows is the basis of the national prosperity". Not only is it flat wrong, it is unnecessary, completely unsustainable, and ignores every other user of the myriad inland waterways affected. That and irrigation uptake (and wastage) are two pet peeves of mine.

Simple solutions such as hard surfacing, turning effluent into fertiliser, fencing waterways etc.

When I first started whitewater kayaking in the '80's you could (and we did) drink the water from ANY of the rivers we used to go to. If anyone had brought a water bottle we would have ridiculed them.

now you just cannot do that. Giardia, crypospiridium, cow shit, reduction in volume due to irrigation. And for what? So a public good can be subverted for the economic interests of a few (and of course, through debt payments) be channelled off shore. What is left? stinking dead ecosystems where once were rivers.

Nup you're wrong.

Good imagination work there. When did I mention river/water quality?

Weirdly, the one thing that the lunatic fringe have come up with recently is their clean river's policy, which I totally agree with.
Dairy farmers sending their filth down the river is totally unacceptable and the state of this nation's rivers is a disgrace!

[Ocean1]

Fish and Game are a bit of a selective organisation.

Most are. The trouble with many environmentally derived organisations is that they've been hijacked by fundamentalist fuckwits with little idea of their business. They come pre-conditioned with the sort of political partisanship you usually only see in religious orders. And they're about as rational. They're far more likely to instigate fact-free propaganda jihad against anything related to oil or private vehicle access. To anywhere, they're an equal opportunity bunch of fuckwits. Try telling them that public transport produces more pollutants per person/kilometre and you'll get stark disbelief and an outright refusal to enter into any sort of dialogue whatsoever.

Arsehole the loony tunes fickwits and get some balanced professional input and they'd get a lot more traction. Sadly that's about as likely as the pope applying real-world scientific rationale to the church's policies on the teaching of evolution.

Fish and Game are a bit of a selective organisation.........Weirdly, the one thing that the lunatic fringe have come up with recently is their clean river's policy, which I totally agree with.

Aye, it's changing, but not fast enough. For me anyway. But then, I'm not a cow cocky.

[oldrider]

But that twiggy singer chick still owns Motutapu, ..

No she doesn't, they split up but her husband (Mutt Lange) still owns Motutapu! (and a few others)

[Brian d marge]

Most are. The trouble with many environmentally derived organisations is that they've been hijacked by fundamentalist fuckwits with little idea of their business. They come pre-conditioned with the sort of political partisanship you usually only see in religious orders. And they're about as rational. They're far more likely to instigate fact-free propaganda jihad against anything related to oil or private vehicle access. To anywhere, they're an equal opportunity bunch of fuckwits. Try telling them that public transport produces more pollutants per person/kilometre and you'll get stark disbelief and an outright refusal to enter into any sort of dialogue whatsoever.

Arsehole the loony tunes fickwits and get some balanced professional input and they'd get a lot more traction. Sadly that's about as likely as the pope applying real-world scientific rationale to the church's policies on the teaching of evolution.



Aye, it's changing, but not fast enough. For me anyway. But then, I'm not a cow cocky.

Public transport . .

Oh this ought to be good

Go on batman im all ears . . . . .

[avgas]

Muldoon........ I'll be voting for him.

I hate to be the one to tell you this......

But that outfit you are wearing died in the 1990's
(along with Muldoon)

[avgas]

So are there any hot chicks to vote for? This thread is depressing.

[MisterD]

Except they never have.

IIRC Clark and Cullen used their powers under it to block a Canadian pension fund from a shareholding in Auckland airport.

[avgas]

IIRC Clark and Cullen used their powers under it to block a Canadian pension fund from a shareholding in Auckland airport.

Who still own a minority investment in regardless.
15% or something a rather.

40% foreign ownership currently.

[Naki Rat]

Weirdly, the one thing that the lunatic fringe have come up with recently is their clean river's policy, which I totally agree with.
Dairy farmers sending their filth down the river is totally unacceptable and the state of this nation's rivers is a disgrace!

Would that "lunatic fringe" be from the same general rabble that have warned us about ozone depletion, rising CO2 levels, unsustainable tropical hardwoods, atmospheric nuclear testing, dioxin contamination, the nonsense of curing traffic congestion by building more roads, international market resistance to GE produce, Japanese whaling and many other inconvenient truths?

Seems to many of us that those lunatic views often become part of the mainstream consciousness, so wouldn't 'visionary fringe' be a more apt description?

[Ocean1]

Public transport . .

Oh this ought to be good

Go on batman im all ears . . . . .

You're big boy aincha?, do your own fucking homework. The numbers are freely available, here's one of dozens from the first google page: http://www.templetons.com/brad/transit-myth.html#mpg

Trains and busses use less fuel per passenger kilometre if they're full. And they never are, especially in NZ where the geography imposes limits on access.

Outside of densely populated flat areas private cars are the greenest practical option for most commuters. Just another example of facts completely ignored or denied by the church of the environment.

[oldrider]

Muldoon........ I'll be voting for him.

Nobody actually voted for Muldoon ... they simply ticked the wrong box and fucked the country!

[mashman]

Outside of densely populated flat areas private cars are the greenest practical option for most commuters. Just another example of facts completely ignored or denied by the church of the environment.

All businesses fault. If they didn't have an irrational need to congregate in cities, people could walk or cycle to work.

[HenryDorsetCase]

IIRC Clark and Cullen used their powers under it to block a Canadian pension fund from a shareholding in Auckland airport.

I'll defer to your expertise. I could google it but you know.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Outside of densely populated flat areas private cars are the greenest practical option for most commuters. Just another example of facts completely ignored or denied by the church of the environment.

now who's being selective?

If what you are saying is correct it still ignores issues yet to be faced in this country: what do you do with cars when you get there? How far out in the burbclaves do you have to go for housing? what does it cost to run a vehicle now? What bout when petrol is $2.50 a litre in two years, and $5 a litre in ten years? How much appalling suburban sprawl do we want? How much of that sprawl is on land that could be growing something useful?

I'm not saying your example is wrong, I am saying you are looking through too narrow an aperture. I acknowledge my own small contribution with all the greenfields subdivision work I do. (hey it funds my KB and Pascalls Jet Plane addiction)

[Ocean1]

All businesses fault. If they didn't have an irrational need to congregate in cities, people could walk or cycle to work.

Best you fuck off to live in Eketahuna then, you could commute by bicycle from there to Danniverke and save the world.






Fuckwit.