I would like to apologise for being a westerner

[Hinny]

Huum.
I can only seem to find "news" from the Gaza side of the border, so "propaganda" seems to be one sided and lacking a view from the other side of the wall (you know the one, it was built to keep the suicide bombers from popping over and killing innocent civilians in shopping areas? - Yes, that wall.)
The public has forgotten about that as well...

You can only see one side because you only have one eye open.

[Banditbandit]

Huum.
I can only seem to find "news" from the Gaza side of the border, so "propaganda" seems to be one sided and lacking a view from the other side of the wall (you know the one, it was built to keep the suicide bombers from popping over and killing innocent civilians in shopping areas? - Yes, that wall.)

And let's Israel kill women and children sheltering in UN schools ...

[willytheekid]

Fighting and killing each other for how many years?...killing women & children!!...over fucking LAND!


crazy...the lot of them!

...and possibly the ONLY way to ensure lasting peace between both crazy groups

[Hinny]

John Key thinks we need the Israeli Ambassador here so we can tell him how distasteful we find the Israeli behaviour.
Any criticism of the govt. being too soft is just motivated by the nearness to an election in his book.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/israel/new...lery_id=144620

I think we should send the Israeli Ambassador home and not allow any Israelis into the country that have anything to do with the ruling party in the same way we restrict entry to Fijians with links to those we find 'distasteful'. Former IDF soldiers are clearly in that category as well.
'God's chosen people' have that mantra shoved down their throats since birth, and is, in my opinion, the reason they are perceived as being unbelievably arrogant and rude when they come here as tourists.
The quote:
"Jewish souls are worth so much more than Arab souls.
An Arab soul is worth less than a Cow's soul"
...may help to explain their inhumane treatment of the Palestinians.

This indoctrination doesn't appear to end with their citizens.
The ferocity of feeling that US politicians have towards Israel is mind boggling. eg Hillary Clinton warning that if Iran was to attack Israel the US would "wipe them off the face of the earth". How bizarre can you get?
Iran hasn't attacked anyone in 400 years and when they did that a couple of dozens Samarians saw them off. Netanyahu is spoiling for war with Iran and no doubt US corporates are keen for them to start a war there. Got their eye on the prize.
The US support for the rogue state of Israel illustrates how deeply embedded the Zionists are in the halls of power in Washington; and perhaps the brainwashing US politicians are subjected to.
The apologists on this forum illustrate the brainwashing we have been subjected to as well.
When the Israelis attacked Egypt in 1967 I believed they were defending themselves and were in the right.
When I saw photos of Israeli soldiers taking the gear off Egyptian soldiers, including their boots and water and sending them off into the Sinai desert to walk home, I was convinced that was a fair thing to do. It was portrayed in our media as being ok and I swallowed the story. So I can understand how some people may believe that Israel is right to be doing what it is in Gaza today. Because that is how the media portray it. Barack Obama stating that "Israel has a right to defend itself".

Of note, the average age of the people in Gaza is 17. They are mostly children.

[Hinny]

Current Israeli Ambassador to the United States, genuinely believes that only Israel exercises restraint and genuine humanity in its pursuit of war against the Palestinians. Ambassador Ron Dermer, who is extremely close to Prime Minister Netanyahu, suggested last week that the Israeli Defense Forces should be given a Nobel Peace Prize for its use of “knock on the roof” warning shots before they destroy homes that often house numerous members of extended families that are simply seeking shelter.
I guess that kind of equates with Obama receiving the Nobel Peace Prize.

[noobi]

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nd...rockets-571033

[Brett]

Fuck off. Most people forget who has been sending explosives (unguided) into Israel for a fucking long time. Israelis built a wall around the place to keep retards with semtex vests out and have now put a roof over the top, named Iron Dome.

Remember that hamas are declared terrorists and who publicly state that the destruction of another country is their only aim - but carefully do NOT say this in English unless those dastardly westerners get the idea.

Fuckin A. If I was Israel, I would also have had enough of having rockets shot at me. Not the Israeli's fault that Hamas are a bunch of retards that can't click onto the fact that they cannot limit missile damage like the Israeli's do. Also...amusing how some of the "Palestinian/gaza casualty" footage is now being shown to have come out of Syria.

[Brett]

Unfortunately the rest of the world simplistically believes it is all because Hammas fires rockets at Israel ... so why don't they just stop?

They fire the rockets and throw the stones because that is all they have left to protest with FFS!

Gaza Palestinians are totally oppressed by brutal Israeli occupation forces and Israeli settlers .. every bit as bad or worse than Nazi Germany!

If they stop firing rockets and throwing stones nothing changes for the Palestinians ... it only makes things more comfortable for Israel.

It's time for the world to wake up and get real about this situation.

Not true. Israel left Gaza completely for an extended period of time, even forcibly evicted their own settlers who had settled over time into Gaza. Wasn't enough, the Palestinians started throwing rockets again and having a go at Israel. Comes down to one fact: Arabs want Israel obliterated. Any other excuse given is simply a cover.

[Flip]

Hamas set up and fire rockets from surburban areas with the full understanding that the Isralie forces can track the launch and direct accurate artilary fire back to the launch site even before the rocket has landed. I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

[Swoop]

You can only see one side because you only have one eye open.

Oddly, seeing both sides is quite possible. Knowing what has been going on in Gaza for quite a few years, and also the Israeli side too.

The cycloptic around here are watching their regular tv news and lapping it all up, without the other half of the context behind it all.

How much do you know about when Gaza was walled off and the Palestinian workers sent home? Who replaced them to do their jobs (since you will know that being sent home means no job, right?)?
So what do the replacements think?


----------Deliberate break here, so some people can grasp the slightly different topic approach...------------

At the end of it, nobody likes Israel having to do anything. Setting up Gaza so the Palestinians had their own territory and governance? Hamas takes over and gets them declared a terrorist organisation by the EU.
Billions in foreign aid gets spent on anything but aiding the people...

[Katman]

Anyone struggling to understand how Israel can justify the indiscriminate killing of children should read this.....

http://www.alternet.org/books/how-ki...fluence-people

[Tazz]

I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

*insert quote below*

[Banditbandit]

Fuckin A. If I was Israel, I would also have had enough of having rockets shot at me. Not the Israeli's fault that Hamas are a bunch of retards that can't click onto the fact that they cannot limit missile damage like the Israeli's do. Also...amusing how some of the "Palestinian/gaza casualty" footage is now being shown to have come out of Syria.

Fisrt of all, I'm not especially picking on you Brett .. just this happens top be the last post of it's kind

Second, It's a complete cluster fuck ...fault on both sides ... not a good situation for anyone

But here .. this is a nasty, violent and brutal image .. (And not one that would be shown in the New Zealand news media) ...but I make no apology for posting it ... it hits you right in the guts - which is the point I want to make .. If this was your child hit by a "high-velocity Israeli weapon" ... I'd bet you'd want to get the fuckers who killed your child ...



And at the same time we have this ...



The Israelis are targeting children ... Maybe not as a nation, but certainly some of their troops ...

I can understand Israel wanting to defend itself .. using high velocity weapons (probably a sniper's rifle) against children is completely wrong ..

[oldrider]

Not true. Israel left Gaza completely for an extended period of time, even forcibly evicted their own settlers who had settled over time into Gaza. Wasn't enough, the Palestinians started throwing rockets again and having a go at Israel. Comes down to one fact: Arabs want Israel obliterated. Any other excuse given is simply a cover.

Hamas set up and fire rockets from surburban areas with the full understanding that the Isralie forces can track the launch and direct accurate artilary fire back to the launch site even before the rocket has landed. I honestly believe that the Isralie forces are showing a great deal of restraint.

You guy's simply read the banner that Zionism hangs out for your consumption ... your ignorance is not your fault! Sad really!

[mashman]

RACISTS ARE RAMPAGING THROUGH ISRAEL