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[willytheekid]

...The generally accepted theories that income inequality is firstly a worthwhile measure of the justice inherent in a society and secondly that the income gap is becoming wider aren't actually correct.

For you!

...Can ya guess why?


(income gap NOT becoming wider ...can I borrow your hidy rock sometime?)

[swarfie]

Then why did they take so much off them in the first place?

Pretty fucking stupid roundabout game innit?

+1 Gotta agree with that. If some of them rich tuckers were paying their share of the tax take instead of trying to avoid paying it, it'd be a better society for sure. Me being a wage earner means there's no way of avoiding it like some. I've got no problem paying my share but we'd all be a shitload better off if everyone did the same.

[mashman]

You have to select your data very carefully to produce information that goes even part way to demonstrating either of those theories. No surprise that the more socialist elements of the world have been quite careful, they've also been very busy publishing the fuck out of their theories.

... aye, it's only the left that are selective with their figures . Can I borrow some of your myopia please Scrooge McFuck.

[scrivy]

... and getting bigger and bigger and bigger and....

It's called an erection Nev.... I'm not surprised a guy of your age can't remember what one is.....

[Scuba_Steve]

(income gap NOT becoming wider ...can I borrow your hidy rock sometime?)

No need for the rock, just get a pair of these (I'm sure even Ocean could spare 1 if needed)

[mada]

Whereas the real truth is that equality of personal income will be "just" when there's equality of personal production, and not until. And the real fact is that global income equality is moving in the opposite direction to that claimed by these fuckwits: it's converging.

This helps me understand why someone like Tony Marryatt deserved a $70,000 pay rise while working as Chch City CEO, that $70,000 being well in excessive of the median salary for most kiwis.

Two great myths: 1) the gap is not widening, and 2) all those being paid shitloads deserve it cos they work harder

[scrivy]

+1 Gotta agree with that. If some of them rich tuckers were paying their share of the tax take instead of trying to avoid paying it, it'd be a better society for sure. I've got no problem paying my share but we'd all be a shitload better off if everyone did the same.

Yip, and there-in lies most of the problem. Big corporates - Apple, Gurgle, Faecesbook etc have nice offshore accounts that they deposit millions/billions into, and pay a gnats testicle of tax on.

There's Trillions of $ worldwide that are due into theirs states coffers. Imagine how many more services we joe public would have or maybe lower tax rates ourselves if that money was obtained.
The crooked goobermints have let this happen.

[scrivy]

Two great myths: 1) the gap is not widening, and 2) all those being paid shitloads deserve it cos they work harder

Damn straight!
It absolutely is widening. And do bankers deserve to be paid insane bonuses when the real honest hard working people have had their houses foreclosed on??
They are scum.

I cannot believe in this day and age that some wackos in the US have not gone about shooting the fuck outta bankers, politicians.....

[Voltaire]

So you are happier with the current situation of WINZ having to top up wages with Working for Families etc. I bet you are an employer or are able to bargain individually to have the attitude you have. Most people are not as lucky as you.

Oh No....its time for my Get Off Your Arse rant...

My Dad arrived from Ireland with a suitcase and had to work for the mines for a year as part of the package.
He worked for himself for 40 years till he retired, told me to get a Trade.

Yeah I have been lucky, lucky enough to find an apprenticeship in the Mulddoon " Wage Freeze " era, work lots of overtime, go to Aussie, work hard there, then the UK for a couple of years till the recession hit and I was unemployed for the first time ever.....went to Lewisham College got a City and Guilds in Refrigeration, came back to NZ, worked up to Building Controls and then for myself????
As they say the harder I work the luckier I get.

I gave my two boys the " get a trade" talk as they were not Uni types.

Both now working as apprentices.

People will always be at WINZ, just as you will always have rich and poor.

[swarfie]

Damn straight!
It absolutely is widening. And do bankers deserve to be paid insane bonuses when the real honest hard working people have had their houses foreclosed on??
They are scum.

I cannot believe in this day and age that some wackos in the US have not gone about shooting the fuck outta bankers, politicians.....

I wouldn't hold your breath too long there Scrivy....

That add on TV makes me cringe...."The Banks made a record profit". Why should they be proud of the fact they do it every year? ARSEHOLES

This is turning into a real moaning match

[oldrider]

Things were better for workers under compulsory unionism, collective bargaining and award payrates. Only highly skilled people in high demand industries have individual bargaining power now

If workers want to give themselves an immediate pay rise they can stop paying their union fees and spend it on themselves!

The unions took their fees but sold out on their conditions while they focussed on spending all their time on politics instead of their members interests!

The most useless politicians are generally ex union executives or broken down ministers of religion just take a look at the ones that are there now.

[mada]

Oh No....its time for my Get Off Your Arse rant...

My Dad arrived from Ireland with a suitcase and had to work for the mines for a year as part of the package.
He worked for himself for 40 years till he retired, told me to get a Trade.

Yeah I have been lucky, lucky enough to find an apprenticeship in the Mulddoon " Wage Freeze " era, work lots of overtime, go to Aussie, work hard there, then the UK for a couple of years till the recession hit and I was unemployed for the first time ever.....went to Lewisham College got a City and Guilds in Refrigeration, came back to NZ, worked up to Building Controls and then for myself????
As they say the harder I work the luckier I get.

I gave my two boys the " get a trade" talk as they were not Uni types.

Both now working as apprentices.

People will always be at WINZ, just as you will always have rich and poor.

That's a great story that is overwhelmingly common and similar to many other peoples family stories from the past. The other common one is the overnight property millionaires, who hedged their bets in the early 2000s on the property market through loans and are now freehold thanks to their renters.

But incase you haven't noticed things have changed quite a bit.

We could tell the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, and the 6 out of 10 young ones that now go to Uni, don't bother - go into trades. But we would still have the same problem, in fact if you think about it objectively you would probably not recommend that - as your boys lives would become harder if they had to compete with that much more labour and the flow on effect of decreased wages.

The matter of the fact is not only are jobs becoming rarer for those going to uni, they are for labouring jobs too.

Good luck getting into dairy or cattle farming if you have no family running one. You will now be competing for that low wage, long hours job with a Filipino who is prepared to work even longer hours, and for poorer conditions (many of which are illegal) and who is also likely to have a veterinarian background.

[scrivy]

That add on TV makes me cringe...."The Banks made a record profit". Why should they be proud of the fact they do it every year? ARSEHOLES

At least they give back to their 'shareholders'....

How can the BIG BANKS not make a big profit every year???? They just keep passing out more loans to all and sundry, and they have a nice big fat interest rate to go along with it......
Why did the banks not reduce credit card interest rates when the OCR was at a record low???

[mada]

Not necessarily. There was a new boss hired of a power lines company with a $180k bonus if they met a performance target so what did they do to help meet it but put prices up. I wonder whether they would have meet the target otherwise but it sure is an easy way without hard work.

This reminds me of the laughable "selling off shares in our power companies won't result in price hikes".

[scrivy]

Good luck getting into dairy or cattle farming if you have no family running one. You will now be competing for that low wage, long hours job with a Filipino who is prepared to work even longer hours, and for poorer conditions (many of which are illegal) and who is also likely to have a veterinarian background.

Ah yes, good old Globalisation........
Reducing our wages, living conditions, morals, ethics, and increasing our costs of compliances, living and houses.