11 September - 4 years on

[SARGE]

i totally agree with you sarge , i dont give a fuck about terrorists mums , dads or whatevers , id be happy to kill and torture a million of there family just to protect 1 of mine.
sadly the u.s. doesnt fight dirty anymore , they need to start using bullets dipped in pigs blood , prisoners need to be shot and buried with pigs guts , detainees should be force feed bacon and they need to be locked up with a pig , it all needs to be videoed and put on aljezzera tv. that way those dirty fuckers will think they wont see allah when they die .
but first the u.s needs to find the right country , iraq??? dont think so

iraq is a nice starting point.. look towards Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria...

Al Jazeera??... nah.. Pay Per View man..

i'd book it..

by the way.. the lower case shit is starting to freak me out ..

[Wolf]

by the way.. the lower case shit is starting to freak me out ..

Soon he'll be using mixed case and we won't be able to spot his posts among all the others...

[SARGE]

Soon he'll be using mixed case and we won't be able to spot his posts among all the others...

yEa..tHat w0uLd T0tAlLy mInd- fUcK mE

[WINJA]

soon he'll be using mixed case and we won't be able to spot his posts among all the others...

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that jerk off spankme stopped me using caps , sizes ,colours or qoutes , and i cant open some attachments . hes getting bored with his ants

[Wolf]

There was a time that if a they wanted to wipe out a few targets they put a bomb in a truck or sent in someone in "clothing by Dupont" or some other form of not-so-smart-bomb. If they took a plane or a bus full of people it was to "negotiate" the release of their "fellow freedom fighters illegally detained blah blah blah" and it was understood that there was a chance that at least some of the hostages might survive if they could be talked out or a suitable strike team could stage a rescue.

Those days are gone. Since Sept 11, any hijacking of a form of transport will be perceived as a suicide run in which the occupants of that vehicle as well as the unknown target are to be killed as part of the reign of terror.

That is certainly how I would perceive it and I dare say most people would be the same - they would see Sept 11 happening all over again - any statements from the terrorists that they are to be held hostage and released unharmed if the demands are met, would not be believed.

If I were on a plane or even a bus and some bugger fronted up with weapons and took control, I would seriously believe that I was going to die - along with my fellow passengers and whomever was at whatever location the vehicle was being diverted to.

In reality, they have forever removed one of their "tools" for applying leverage. Any internally guided vehicle that is taken over will be shot down or forcibly destroyed to minimise the loss of life that could occur should it reach its target.

There will be those out there who have come to the same conclusion as I that would believe that the terrorists intend crashing the vehicle into a target should it be taken over and may decide to do as the passengers on that third plane did, but acting earlier because they believe from the outset that they are "dead anyway". They probably would not wait to hear that other vehicles have already been used as weapons against prominent targets - from their stand point, they already have, the "rules of engagement" have irrevocably changed.

I hope I am never on a vehicle that is taken over by terrorists, but if I ever were, I hope I would have the ability to take at least one of the hijackers down.

I've faced death several times - enough to know that I do not freak out. I become very calm and tranquil (we just won't mention the state I'm in after I get out of the situation alive and I realise I'm now "safe" )

Now, they will doubless change their tactics again to keep us all guessing and wondering where it's coming from next. As we now know that they cannot be trusted to keep a plane load of hostages alive long enough to attempt to coerce, so too do they know that not everyone fears them and that acts of heroism on the part of the average citizenry - self sacrifice for the greater good - are likely to become the norm.

Congrats, dickheads, you've turned every person in the world into potential "soldiers" against your "cause"!

[tracyprier]

We didn't illegally invade a country did we though?

Nope... no jihadin' needed here.

Hell we ain't even a very christian country, so I don't think the Koran would cover us in its little rule section that the extremists seem to (ab)use.

Yeah, nice thought but unforunately extremists just see two types of people... them and everyone else who just happens to be the "enemy" and therefore fair game.

It IS time the Pollies in this little island woke the hell-up and realised that we ARE a target, less so than some other countries but a target all the same.

[tracyprier]

I agree whole-heartedly, when is a Government in this world going to have the balls to do THAT???:

Actually the old Soviet Union did. They always armed their flight crews and had a zero tolerance policy; you hijack a plane, you get ventilated by a couple of Tokarevs... simple.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm starting to go blind from the glare off all the red necks around here.
Have any of you kill 'em all types thought about the quality of American intelligence ( an oxymoron if there ever was one).
They wouldn't allow a 3 month old child to board a plane because his name was on an anti-terrorism 'no - fly' list.
How are people like this going to identify terrorists let alone their families.
The Nazis tried those tactics against insurgents, it didn't work then. It won't work now.
Guys, go back to your banjo's and think a spell.

[emaN]

I'm not particularly concerned by any of the Middle Eastern countries, China, North Korea etc, but the US, led by Bush......hmmmm.

Having read thru' the whole shi-bang,agreeing with OldRider,this one sticks out mo' than most...
Dude, i'm concerned about you!

[SARGE]

Place would be a shit load safer if all the septics fucked off.
Sleep with dogs an ya' catch fleas.
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I humbly offer my apologies here:

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, Beruit etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth,

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause.

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society, like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other non-combatant civilians are legitimate targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church — one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, Beruit, the murders and beheadings of Nick Bergand, Daniel Pearl, etc...etc,



We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw Abu Garib reported in the news, we were like—so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong! Sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured, we were trying to kill those same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burned among a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait!

You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins!

[Skyryder]

I humbly offer my apologies here:

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, Beruit etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth,

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yasir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause.

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of our society, like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies, children, the elderly and other non-combatant civilians are legitimate targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church — one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, Beruit, the murders and beheadings of Nick Bergand, Daniel Pearl, etc...etc,



We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw Abu Garib reported in the news, we were like—so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong! Sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured, we were trying to kill those same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burned among a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait!

You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins!

Good post Sarge. Nothing like a good ol' patriotic rave. Feel a bit like that myself after reading your post. I seem to recall that the Americans knew of the impending French terrorist atack on the Rainbow Warrior. But being the good freind that they were to New Zealand they forgot to tell us.

Skyryder

[Wolf]

Good post Sarge. Nothing like a good ol' patriotic rave. Feel a bit like that myself after reading your post. I seem to recall that the Americans knew of the impending French terrorist atack on the Rainbow Warrior. But being the good freind that they were to New Zealand they forgot to tell us.

Skyryder

The guy behind the Rainbow Warrior bombing is now living in America, manufacturing anti-terrorist weapons - totally unrepentant. I feel like going over there, grabbing one of his own weapons and shooting him with it, just to see how effective it is at eliminating terrorist scum.

That or blowing up a ship full of French miltary - if I could achieve it without them surrendering the second I got within thirty kilometres of them...

[WINJA]

The guy behind the Rainbow Warrior bombing is now living in America, manufacturing anti-terrorist weapons - totally unrepentant. I feel like going over there, grabbing one of his own weapons and shooting him with it, just to see how effective it is at eliminating terrorist scum.

That or blowing up a ship full of French miltary - if I could achieve it without them surrendering the second I got within thirty kilometres of them...

STILL BITTER ABOUT THE RAINBOW WARIOUR , ALWAYS HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE NEXT BIG TERRORIST ACT IS IN FRANCE AND IS HUGE , WEATHER YOUR A TREE HUGGING HIPPY OR NOT THEY FUCKED WITH ALL OF US WHEN THEY BOMBED THAT BOAT IN "OUR" HARBOUR

[scumdog]

i totally agree with you sarge , i dont give a fuck about terrorists mums , dads or whatevers , id be happy to kill and torture a million of there family just to protect 1 of mine.
sadly the u.s. doesnt fight dirty anymore , they need to start using bullets dipped in pigs blood , prisoners need to be shot and buried with pigs guts , detainees should be force feed bacon and they need to be locked up with a pig , it all needs to be videoed and put on aljezzera tv. that way those dirty fuckers will think they wont see allah when they die .
but first the u.s needs to find the right country , iraq??? dont think so

Wouldn't go quite as far as you WINJA but I bet the suicide bombings would drop a tad if it was broadcast that all the suicide bombers remains would be buried in pigskin (that way they would never get to heaven)
Of course if i was king the remains would be fed to pigs - and the spectacle publicly broadcast live.

[Skyryder]

STILL BITTER ABOUT THE RAINBOW WARIOUR , ALWAYS HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE NEXT BIG TERRORIST ACT IS IN FRANCE AND IS HUGE , WEATHER YOUR A TREE HUGGING HIPPY OR NOT THEY FUCKED WITH ALL OF US WHEN THEY BOMBED THAT BOAT IN "OUR" HARBOUR

Another thing that is not widlely known is that when the French secret service agents Alain Mafart and Dominique Prieur were being held in custody at Rolleston Prison there were serious fears that they would be 'sprung.' Lange's decision to have them serve out there time at Muriora atoll (??) was, in part, in fear of this. However the real reason for Lange's decision was that France was threating our trade within the European community. But what pisses me off more than anything else about the Rainbow Warrior bombing was that the National Party was in the throes of formulating policy that would exploit Frances threat to our trade for their own political gain.

Skyryder