11 September - 4 years on

[terbang]

Took this shot at Ground Zero a couple of years back. The photo summs up a lot of the mis-information that has gone on over the years since the attack. Visiting the site in NY is certainly a sobering experience.

[SARGE]

Took this shot at Ground Zero a couple of years back. The photo summs up a lot of the mis-information that has gone on over the years since the attack. Visiting the site in NY is certainly a sobering experience.

Ground Zero has become a "Wailing Wall" if you would .. it is a place where Americans can get in touch with themselves and thier frustrations over the situation.. Saddam is just the latest..


bringing that up.. i have a few questions for some of the nay-sayers ..

1. do you think Saddam Hussein is/was evil?
   
   yes i understand that the US was largely responsible for arming him to fight the Iranians in the 80's.. i will go into the Geo-Politics of that at a later date
   
   
2. was it a good thing that he and his sons were removed from power in Iraq?
   
   his sons Uday and Qusay were murderous thugs.. would have been much worse if THEY got into power..apparently , Udey (the more violent one) was working on a plot to remove Saddam with extreme prejudice
   
   
3. do you think that, in the long run, the Iraqi people will be better off without him?
   
   
   im talking in the future.. obviously not now with the 2 muslim factions engaged in a civil war with each other ..
   
   

[Wolf]

GW scares me too man ..but at the end of the day .. i was and am one of "the Presidents Own".. i dont respect the man , but i do respect the office ..

If I had enough respect for the "Office", I'd haul GW out of it and lynch him in the street as a traitor to the country. So far he's killed more Americans than the terrorists have.

[SARGE]

If I had enough respect for the "Office", I'd haul GW out of it and lynch him in the street as a traitor to the country. So far he's killed more Americans than the terrorists have.

very true Wolf .. but he's not going to be in office much longer , and the next President will be saddled with this war .. i need to write up something that explains the big picture i think .. i will work on that this week..

[Wolf]

do you think Saddam Hussein is/was evil?

yes i understand that the US was largely responsible for arming him to fight the Iranians in the 80's.. i will go into the Geo-Politics of that at a later date


was it a good thing that he and his sons were removed from power in Iraq?

his sons Uday and Qusay were murderous thugs.. would have been much worse if THEY got into power..apparently , Udey (the more violent one) was working on a plot to remove Saddam with extreme prejudice

Hussein and his sons were monsters.

Nietsche said "when hunting monsters, take care you do not become one yourself" - doesn't apply to Bush as he was already a monster before he went after Hussein.

GW, Saddam, Adolf Hitler, Josef Mengele, Adi Amin - they are all cut from the same bolt of cloth and the world is improved without them.

GW has shown as little regard for the lives of his people as Hussein ever showed. The difference is: Husssein is neutralised, GW is still in power and will still enjoy privileged treatment and be able to exert influence on world affairs after his tenure ends. Most likely, his inbred whelps will also take the political track like good ol' paw and gran'paw and the evil will continue for future generations.

The survivors of this war should neutralise GW and his progeny for the good of humankind - selective eugenic purification applied to that family line would be good.

I would also recommend beheading the corpses and stuffing them with holy wafers and garlic - just to be on the safe side. Unmarked graves at a deserted crossroads would also be beneficial.

That, or the bottom of a "longdrop" toilet...

[padre]

"do you think Saddam Hussein is/was evil?"

Sarge how do you define EVIL. I'll tell ya. Its the opposite to LIVE. Its summat that wreaks of def. Saddy sure had lots death on his score card.
And was no doubt not too morally inclined. His choice was power, power means stomping on opposition. Like a set of scales, if he weakens the other side his ratings go up and up. He had a hard heart. It can be broken as we have seen. Failure broke it. And the people are worse off so they say.

[slowpoke]

Ground Zero has become a "Wailing Wall" if you would .. it is a place where Americans can get in touch with themselves and thier frustrations over the situation.. Saddam is just the latest..


bringing that up.. i have a few questions for some of the nay-sayers ..

1. do you think Saddam Hussein is/was evil?
   
   yes i understand that the US was largely responsible for arming him to fight the Iranians in the 80's.. i will go into the Geo-Politics of that at a later date
   
   
2. was it a good thing that he and his sons were removed from power in Iraq?
   
   his sons Uday and Qusay were murderous thugs.. would have been much worse if THEY got into power..apparently , Udey (the more violent one) was working on a plot to remove Saddam with extreme prejudice
   
   
3. do you think that, in the long run, the Iraqi people will be better off without him?
   
   
   im talking in the future.. obviously not now with the 2 muslim factions engaged in a civil war with each other ..
   
   

Wailing wall? Get in touch with themselves? Instead of wallowing in self pity and wreaking death and destruction in totally uninvolved countries the American people should ask themselves WHY this happened. Understanding your enemy is the key to beating him.

Sarge, each of your questions could equally be applied to George Bush, Rumsfeld and co with very similar answers. Given that the US has got a similar justification fto be invaded "for it's own good", would you take it lying down? Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Street Gerbil]

Well put, Sarge.

[Wolf]

I think slowpoke has a good idea, we could invade the USA, depose and execute the monsters like Bush and Rumsfield, disband the armed forces and destroy their stock-piles of WMD to curb the USA's capacity to wage war. We could put an interim government in place until such time as we can set up straight elections not rigged by big business (though the destruction of the weapons factories and the imprisonment or execution of the manufacturers will certainly help get a less biased government). Remove all US troops from overseas so that they are no longer being slaughtered and remove the spy networks that enslave the population back in the States. Anyone even remotely connected to the CIA will be executed and their children castrated so they cannot breed any more defective "spook genes" into the population. Hunt down that bitch who posed for those photos tormenting POWs and execute her and the parents that spawned her.

"Evil" is not limited to Hussein and his kids. Bush snr is a monster, his son even more so - where's the difference between the Bush family and the Hussein family (aside from the fact no one has yet killed Bush jr)?

[Michaelt]

Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical problems about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill this douchebag and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pencil-neck dickheads with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet.

and Discovery WOULD NOT BE BROADCASTING IT!.. this is Pro Wrestling of the conspiracy world..

I can picture the Hippy morons posting now:

"BUT SARGE, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT!."

Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision."

Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history...with military precision no less...is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some tech-school losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to 86 this kid long before his video ever became popular?

anyone got a Tui?

With all respect, this argument seems a bit weak to me.

Regardless of whether the conspiracy theory is correct, which it's fairly obviously not, why would the US government care about some nutcase living in his parents basement or an abandoned missile silo somewhere in Arizona?

Taking these people out wouldn't achieve anything, as noone believes them anyway, they probably weaken the support of these conspiracy theories overall and it's easier just to leave them.

I do agree with most of your sentiments stated in this thread though.

Michael

[SARGE]

With all respect, this argument seems a bit weak to me.

Regardless of whether the conspiracy theory is correct, which it's fairly obviously not, why would the US government care about some nutcase living in his parents basement or an abandoned missile silo somewhere in Arizona?

Taking these people out wouldn't achieve anything, as noone believes them anyway, they probably weaken the support of these conspiracy theories overall and it's easier just to leave them.

I do agree with most of your sentiments stated in this thread though.

Michael

i dont know man .. maybe im just paranoid ..


but keep this in mind .. just because you're accused of being paranoid does not mean no one is out to get you...

i like to call it a 'heightened state of alertness..."

[Lou Girardin]

i like to call it a 'heightened state of alertness..."

And you come from the United States of Heightened Alertness.

Paranoia is very exhausting, they need to go back to enjoying life.
After all, does an Elephant worry about flea bites?

[98tls]

very true Wolf .. but he's not going to be in office much longer , and the next President will be saddled with this war .. i need to write up something that explains the big picture i think .. i will work on that this week..

Do it sarge.....i would be interested in your opinion....the thing is so many cant see or chose not to see the big picture....be interested on your take of it all...and the big picture as you see it...dont promise to agree with it all but interested nonetheless....

[SARGE]

Do it sarge.....i would be interested in your opinion....the thing is so many cant see or chose not to see the big picture....be interested on your take of it all...and the big picture as you see it...dont promise to agree with it all but interested nonetheless....

yea... im onto it.. gimme a few days and i'll upload a word doc..

[98tls]

Good stuff....am no expert but have over the years spent mucho time researching warfare/politics of....bought on as a youngster as my family are German and for reasons still unknowen i found it all immensely interesting.