Nicky Hager

[oldrider]

Yeah but it's the media that desperately keep on trying to drag something out of nothing ... they must be really pissed about that! Boring! Boring! Boring!

[mada]

video of John Key fucking lying through his teeth


proscht

Damn, going to need a couple of crates and kegs based on that vid!

[blue rider]

should be just enough

and a bit of roast for sustenance cause we be drinking some at the end of the day

[Winston001]

Nah, your opinions are without fail informed by your socialist ideals, as are your references. They're probably of some comfort to another socialist, and I doubt you have a problem with being described as such, and that's just dandy, but you don't get to claim an untainted viewpoint from such an extreme position.


As for caring about your fellow man, you make the mistake typical of the left in claiming that anyone of a different persuasion cares less than you do.

Bingo. Commonsense. But its sadly lacking on all sides of our political discourse.

This afternoon on Nat Radio, Rob Salmond who advises the Labour Party made exactly your point. He said that people from the poltical left and from the right are generally decent well-motivated citizens with different perspectives. Both sides want the best society for us all. What frustrates him is the shallow good vs bad and the personal abuse politics descends into in New Zealand.

Exactly. Even Hone Harawira has an honest point of view.

[oldrider]

Bingo. Commonsense. But its sadly lacking on all sides of our political discourse.

This afternoon on Nat Radio, Rob Salmond who advises the Labour Party made exactly your point. He said that people from the poltical left and from the right are generally decent well-motivated citizens with different perspectives. Both sides want the best society for us all. What frustrates him is the shallow good vs bad and the personal abuse politics descends into in New Zealand.

Exactly. Even Hone Harawira has an honest point of view.

Correct but Hone openly proved he can be bought so that makes him forever suspect no matter how much nice and sensible he projects!

All that is in question with Hone now ... is "price"!

[HenryDorsetCase]

fixed for you

either's good with me :. I think he is in a committed relationship though. How about you though? Wanna get it on?

[mashman]

Or has she got some dirt that has the potential to bury Jonkey?

Nah, KDC's got dat

[jim.cox]

Essential reading me thinks for all the doubters and cynics that have taken part in this thread, and indeed essential reading for all NZers who need to understand it beyond the the highly politicized and polarised debate it's become...

Cri du cœur by Andrew Geddis

[puddytat]

Good link that Jim....

[oldrider]

Essential reading me thinks for all the doubters and cynics that have taken part in this thread, and indeed essential reading for all NZers who need to understand it beyond the the highly politicized and polarised debate it's become...

Cri du cœur by Andrew Geddis

Isn't that all just a bit like talking through a keyboard on sites like KB? ... Real world anybody? ... he said I said we said ... what a crock of shite!

[Winston001]

Damn you Jim, was just about to post that.

It's an excellent and thoughtful commentary on Hagar's book, sufficient to cause me to adjust my perspective.

A valid response IMHO is that the Left politicians and bloggers are equally nasty and vindictive. I joined the Standard a while ago and posted a mild criticism to stimulate discussion - only to find my comment deleted. I belong to quite a few forums around the world and have never ever had anything deleted. Silly me but I was offended.

By comparison I also posted some critical comments on Whaleoil and they remained untouched. Not a Whale fan.

[puddytat]

Isn't that all just a bit like talking through a keyboard on sites like KB? ... Real world anybody? ... he said I said we said ... what a crock of shite!

How about this then?
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2014/08/18...-unbelievable/

[Winston001]

John Key and Guyon Espiner interview 7:20am



damn should have made it "at the end of the day" and "people can see".

Funny old world. Two people listen to that interview and come away with radically different impressions. I though John Key made Espiner seem irrelevant. You (and many others) think Key failed.

Fair enough.

There are only four politicians whom I can remember getting the best of astute media interviewers.

Winston Peters (a wally) but sharp as a tack and able to rephrase questions to his own agenda.

Helen Clark who was an even sharper tack and always better than the interviewer.

Judith Collins who is the only polly to silence Mary Wilson. Cool and utterly on point.

John Key: the guy cannot be flustered. No hesitation, no stammering, no change of sentence construction despite interruptions. Calm and focused.


And David Lange - he was as good as Key, even a bit better because he was unconscionably funny too.

[Paul in NZ]

John Key and co unfortunately live in a social media world... Is Cameron Slater any worse than Murdoch etc? Maybe? But its a fact that the internet and social media has given those with a nasty negative side the ability to turn a phrase to drive their bile deeper and further than ever... Kiwibiker isnt any different... The cruel and negative jibe gets the laugh and approval.. Given what it can be like here why is anyone amazed its that bad in the political world?

Fact is - Slater and Hager and their ilk are unelectable. They are really unappealing to the camera and come across poorly on TV. Sadly they both believe they are smarter and 'better' than the sheeple and everything would just go so much better if THEY were running things... It wouldn't... The whole stinking pile of people who seek to influence suck...

[R650R]

Well its getting juicey now.... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11310819

The question I want answered is how did slater become so chummy with this 'ex' prostitute (who still seems very connected to industry friends).
I doubt anyone in that industry would be so ready to expose secrets via such a controversial blogger without some deeper connection... we can only wonder...
If a club started dishing dirt on its hiugh profile members it would be a bad business decision where privacy is a selling point.

People are right in both sides are prob doing this all the time, except just like Nixon they've been dumb enough to keep a record of the antics. Think there's more to come on this saga...