Nicky Hager

[oldrider]

There's lots of selective morality.
We're talking about a book that uses stolen emails to make accusations and innuendoes about, amongst other things, stolen emails.

Good on yah Oscar ... our "unbiased" media conveniently overlook the fact that a crime has been committed here!

[mashman]

It depends on who asks.

heh, if that's the case then they deserve to be out on their ear. Stick to the story, even if it's the missus, and you'll never go wrong.

[mashman]

There's lots of selective morality.
We're talking about a book that uses stolen emails to make accusations and innuendoes about, amongst other things, stolen emails.

There is no morality where the law is concerned... and given that being immoral means diddly to anyone, because the law says so, ya getz what ya payz fer.

[mashman]

Good on yah Oscar ... our "unbiased" media conveniently overlook the fact that a crime has been committed here!

Hard, snigger, to overlook and no crime... as requested

[Katman]

We're talking about a book that uses stolen emails to make accusations and innuendoes about, amongst other things, stolen emails.

Yeah nah, that argument doesn't wash with me.

If the government were in secret negotiations to sell the entire country (and all us citizens along with it) to the Chinese and that deal was exposed by stolen emails would you be questioning the morality of the emails being stolen?

[oldrider]

Shake shake shake .... OK Gordon .... yah got me ... all that "repeat" shaken goin on I'm convinced! ... see, it works!

[Oscar]

Yeah, that argument doesn't wash with me.

If the government were in secret negotiations to sell the entire country, and all us citizens along with it, to the Chinese and that deal was exposed by stolen emails would you be questioning the morality of emails being stolen?

But that isn't what we were discussing.
The issue was Whaleoil hacking the Labour Party website.

[yokel]

Yeah nah, that argument doesn't wash with me.

If the government were in secret negotiations to sell the entire country (and all us citizens along with it) to the Chinese and that deal was exposed by stolen emails would you be questioning the morality of the emails being stolen?

Stop using logic or you'll just start upsetting people

[Woodman]

Stop using logic or you'll just start upsetting people

Logic??? Using an extreme example to justify something minor. Thats not logic, its paranoia.

[oldrider]

Yeah nah, that argument doesn't wash with me.

If the government were in secret negotiations to sell the entire country (and all us citizens along with it) to the Chinese and that deal was exposed by stolen emails would you be questioning the morality of the emails being stolen?

Normally works like that in the NZ courts ... insubmissable evidence etc! Anyway thats a bit more substantial than this nit pickin shit by Hager!

All of them are just the same it's just that your left wing parties are desperate at the moment and the media have no other circusses to play with!

... It's passing already!

[Katman]

But that isn't what we were discussing.

You're right, what we seem to be discussing here is the integrity and morality of Nicky Hager.

The fact is though that the morality of Nicky Hager (and for that matter, the morality of Cameron Slater) is of little importance.

What matters is the morality and integrity of the government who formulate policy on our behalf.

[Katman]

Thats not logic, its paranoia.

No, it's using a hypothetical example to express a concept.

And the fact is that you're only aggrieved by the discussion because you're a National party supporter.

If it was Labour that was being exposed by a similar investigation you'd be all over it like a rash.

[mada]

But that isn't what we were discussing.
The issue was Whaleoil hacking the Labour Party website.

Actually I think that was just one smidgen of the discussion as that is only one of the issues at play. Just like the other issues such as Judith Collins leaking a public servants name, getting preferential treatment for OIA's and abuse of govt. power etc. you appear to see no wrong doing. Do you really think this shit is healthy for democracy? Don't give me the "everyone does it" bullshit, that's no excuse - and if it was every criminal would be able to get off in court because everyone else is stealing, thieving, raping etc.

Latest news from today is that your mate is being prosecuted by the Director of Human Rights Proceedings for breaching someone else's privacy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11312691

I'm sure you'll be able to point out how they are wrong.

[Oscar]

I'm sure you'll be able to point out how they are wrong.

Why would I bother arguing with an unpleasant arrogant fucker like you who is so sure that he's right?

[mada]

Why would I bother arguing with an unpleasant arrogant fucker like you who is so sure that he's right?

Classic, you think whaleoil is great. Everyone else who challenges what he does as unpleasant or scum.