Nicky Hager

[Banditbandit]

Putting aside the issue of whether Nicky Hager was right or wrong in what he did, right or wrong in what he said, putting all that partisan crap aside ...

A true democracy NEEDS a free press (or as much a free press as we can get) ... and police action like this endangers that free press - endangers and important plank of our democracy - endangers all of us.

I will fight and die to preserve the rights of people to say what they think, and to have a free press - even when, or especially when, I disagree with what they say ...

We should all be concerned about these encroachments on our freedoms ...

"they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist...When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat....then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew...

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." Martin Niemoller

Many of you are not simply not speaking out - you are actively supporting the actions of the state against our freedoms ... and you rely on that same freedom to have the right to your views.

We equally have the right to our views and the right to express them.

We would fight for your right to speak and think - but you deny our right to speak and think. Think about it people.

Who will be left when they come for you?

[MisterD]

National appear very concerned about who hacked Slater's computer, but don't seem to be interested in the identity of the person who used a National Party computer to hack into the Labour Party computer. Lenin and Stalin would be familiar with the tactics.

Nobody "hacked" into the Labour Party computer. They fucked up and effectively published their donor list on a web-facing server with no security. The page had been indexed by google, ferchrissakes all that anyone needed to do was to type the address into their browser.

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Plus, all that anyone did with the information on the Labour server was say "Ha ha, look how incompetent these muppets are!"

[MisterD]

and police action like this endangers that free press - endangers and important plank of our democracy - endangers all of us.

No. A crime has been committed, the Police should investigate and gather evidence. If there's a defence of public interest, that should be argued in front of a judge.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." Martin Niemoller

"They came for the martial arts enthusiasts, but I wasn’t a martial arts enthusiast so I did nothing
They came for Eamonn Holmes and I think I’m right in saying I applauded
They came for the fire-eaters, but I wasn’t a fire-eater so I did nothing
They came for Dani Behr, I said she’s over there, behind the wardrobe

Turn a blind eye, sometimes it's best to" - Half man Half Biscuit "Turn a blind eye"

[bluninja]

Stalin hacked computers?

No but he had friends with ice picks that hacked opposition politicians biological computer

[carbonhed]

A comment shamelessly hacked from Kiwiblog...

"This search is a gross breach of Hager’s privacy. He will have personal emails and documents on those seized computers, and now someone else will be going through them and able to read what he had written. A privacy violation of this scale is unheard of since, well… since Hager did the same thing to someone else but without a warrant."

[Trade_nancy]

Queer how some regard it freedom of the press and fair play to grab peoples mail without their consent - but the same people squeal when police and government seek to do the same.
No freedom of access for those that are supposed to run the country and provide security and protection...all power to those that skulk and steal information in defence of their own self-righteousness.

[Banditbandit]

No. A crime has been committed, the Police should investigate and gather evidence. If there's a defence of public interest, that should be argued in front of a judge.



"They came for the martial arts enthusiasts, but I wasn’t a martial arts enthusiast so I did nothing
They came for Eamonn Holmes and I think I’m right in saying I applauded
They came for the fire-eaters, but I wasn’t a fire-eater so I did nothing
They came for Dani Behr, I said she’s over there, behind the wardrobe

Turn a blind eye, sometimes it's best to" - Half man Half Biscuit "Turn a blind eye"

I am sure that the Nazis considered the Communists to have committed a crime

I am sure that the Nazis considered the Jews had committed crimes ...

In the modern world, I am sure that the Iran Government has locked up many many people and killed and tortured them for exactly the same reason - they have committed a crime as defined by their Government ...

Does that make such actions right?? "Legal" and "Ethical" are not the same thing.

"Public Interest" is a very important plank of our democracy and WE should decide on that, not he judicial system, which has no mandate to consider such an issue on the level it needs to be considered.

As I said, (and I can recommend a good course on "Reading with comprehension" close to where you live) putting aside whether Nicky Hager was right or wrong in what he did, right or wrong in what he said, putting aside al that partisan crap .. .. " But you seem unable to do that and look at the bigger picture ...

I don't carer whether you quoted that dickhead in an ironic, humorous or funny way - that's just bullshit ..

[Banditbandit]

Queer how some regard it freedom of the press and fair play to grab peoples mail without their consent - but the same people squeal when police and government seek to do the same.
No freedom of access for those that are supposed to run the country and provide security and protection...all power to those that skulk and steal information in defence of their own self-righteousness.

That is a misrepresentation of what I said .. and of my position on this.

[SPman]

A comment shamelessly hacked from Kiwiblog...

"This search is a gross breach of Hager’s privacy. He will have personal emails and documents on those seized computers, and now someone else will be going through them and able to read what he had written. A privacy violation of this scale is unheard of since, well… since Hager did the same thing to someone else but without a warrant."

And when whaleblubber and his minions hacked several computers and put what they found online - don't see them being raided by the police - although there is a civil court case proceeding against the arsehead by someone whose life he did fuck up! The level of faux outrage at Hager is sickening to see. Obviously bought into the whole government narrative.

[oldrider]

Hager took his chances ... gambled and ? ... Well we will see sooner or later whether he won or lost but rest assured he knew what he was doing!

[Ocean1]

That is a misrepresentation of what I said .. and of my position on this.

It's a fucking sight more accurate and relevant though.

[Ocean1]

And when whaleblubber and his minions hacked several computers and put what they found online - don't see them being raided by the police - although there is a civil court case proceeding against the arsehead by someone whose life he did fuck up! The level of faux outrage at Hager is sickening to see. Obviously bought into the whole government narrative.

What makes you think the police didn't investigate that incident?

And I rather suspect that "outrage" is in fact at the blind hypocracy of someone "exposing" bad behaviour by stealing and selectively publishing someone else's private correspondence.

[MisterD]

As I said, (and I can recommend a good course on "Reading with comprehension" close to where you live) putting aside whether Nicky Hager was right or wrong in what he did, right or wrong in what he said, putting aside al that partisan crap .. .. " But you seem unable to do that and look at the bigger picture ...

The bigger picture is that it is illegal to hack into other peoples' private data, but in your world it's ok if you don't like the person being hacked. In case you missed it (or failed to comprehend the report in the paper) the police told Hager that he's a witness and not a suspect. Imagine the wailing if Ian Wishart had written a similarly slanted hit job on the Greens or Labour.

We have plenty of protections for proper journalists, whistle-blowers and activists committing criminal acts in our legislation - something that those muppets that attacked the Waihopai dome demostrated quite well - and a court of law is exactly the place for those things to be tested. It's why we have an independent judiciary.

[Banditbandit]

The bigger picture is that it is illegal to hack into other peoples' private data,

Yes, I accept it is illegal.

but in your world it's ok if you don't like the person being hacked.

Nowhere have I said that - and the implication in my statements is exactly the opposite of that.

I did and do have an issue with the way that Hager got the data. I respect privacy more than I respect the law, and yes, I think it was information unethically obtained ... Having been given it Hager made his choice - to make it all public. The wider picture here is the exposure of dirty dealings amongst our politicians .. whatever colour flavour or sexual preference they are .. I would never argue that the ends justify the means ... and I am troubled by Hager using hacked information ... that doesn't mean that he should not use what he was given - it was his responsibility to use it or not and I support his decision - he is responsible, he made the decision, he lives with the results.

I am equally unhappy that the police raided his house and removed so much computer technology and now have their hands on a whole lot of stuff that they do not need for their investigation - and material that belongs to the rest of the family, not just Nicky ..

Very heavy handed. They could have just put him before a judge and asked him who his source was, then jailed him for contempt if he refused to answer .. you seem to like the judicial answer .. it should have been used here.

In case you missed it (or failed to comprehend the report in the paper) the police told Hager that he's a witness and not a suspect. Imagine the wailing if Ian Wishart had written a similarly slanted hit job on the Greens or Labour.

The flavour of the party has nothing to do with it ... If Wishart can construct such a piece, then I saw let him go for it ... the distasteful and unethical politicians need to be exposed ..

We have plenty of protections for proper journalists, whistle-blowers and activists committing criminal acts in our legislation - something that those muppets that attacked the Waihopai dome demostrated quite well - and a court of law is exactly the place for those things to be tested. It's why we have an independent judiciary.

Some of us do not have your faith in our system ... and if I went to look would I find on KBer any criticism from you of the courts system?

I will go and look ..

[Banditbandit]

It's a fucking sight more accurate and relevant though.

Don't go off half cocked and knee jerk on me now ... I know you are better than that.