Nicky Hager

[oldrider]

The thing that I find startling is that anyone should find the alleged behaviour startling.

True!

Hager has seen an opportunity to earn a dollar got to respect him for that but actually being sucked in by it ... that is just fucking stupid!

Notice how eager TV1 and TV3 et al are to swoop in and sensationalise it as if it really matters! ---- Not!

It's the TV way repeat repeat repeat ad nausium until it's accepted as the truth!

[Grumph]

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence.

And add overconfidence to the mix - then you have the typical 2nd term Tory government. I've lived and voted in NZ long enough to remember several 2nd term Nat bouts of overconfidencs - usually resulting in selling assets to mates or jobs for the boys...
This current crop are no different - Key is just Muldoon with a smiling face.

[Ocean1]

And add overconfidence to the mix - then you have the typical 2nd term Tory government. I've lived and voted in NZ long enough to remember several 2nd term Nat bouts of overconfidencs - usually resulting in selling assets to mates or jobs for the boys...
This current crop are no different - Key is just Muldoon with a smiling face.

I was referring to what passes for the fourth estate nowadays. They seem on one hand to have abandoned any professional qualities of impartiality and accuracy they once valued, and yet aren't able to accept that anyone writing an opinion piece isn't actually bound by the same values.

As for Key/Muldoon, deserved or not Key has more breadth and more depth of support than piggy ever enjoyed. Or deserved.

[mashman]

I assume you mean that which causes such behaviour? Behaviour which can be observed anywhere people form groups? Behaviour that can be observed where there isn’t the vaguest hint of money to motivate it? So not a behaviour caused by money then.

So let’s have none of your bullshit about radical changes to “the system”, one which has demonstrably been responsible in your lifetime for the greatest advance in living standards humankind has ever known.

Yes. But most definitely a behaviour caused by money. I see you would not wish to contribute on the basis that you're just too awesome. What do you think you are going to lose by contributing your effort as we all will too? I find your lack of faith disturbing. An individual is much more than their perceived behaviour, especially that of one with an entitlement complex. And as it is only behaviour, it can change. The only way that behaviour will change is if there's is a perceived gain. Well that's your argument innit, we must gain else we won't do? You have written off every single member of New Zealand based on the flawed perception that people can't change, even you . Do you class yourself as a patriot.

You just sit the fuck down and shut up. You're making giant assumptions at the very core of the entire argument and calling it done and dusted. Sounds awfully fuckin mypoic for someone with your levels of awesomeness. But hey. People are changing their minds. By all means write it off as a fad... but I'm not so sure this time.

[oldrider]

Key is just Muldoon with a smiling face.

Chalk and cheese ... Muldoon was as socialist as it gets he tried to control everything! Consequently he ran the country broke! A real wanker!

The new (1984) Labour government had to turn to right wing policies to save the country from going completely bankrupt!

Strangely enough it took the left and right wing party supporters two elections to realise that they had actually changed sides!

[Ocean1]

Yes. But most definitely a behaviour caused by money. I see you would not wish to contribute on the basis that you're just too awesome. What do you think you are going to lose by contributing your effort as we all will too? I find your lack of faith disturbing. An individual is much more than their perceived behaviour, especially that of one with an entitlement complex. And as it is only behaviour, it can change. The only way that behaviour will change is if there's is a perceived gain. Well that's your argument innit, we must gain else we won't do? You have written off every single member of New Zealand based on the flawed perception that people can't change, even you . Do you class yourself as a patriot.

You just sit the fuck down and shut up. You're making giant assumptions at the very core of the entire argument and calling it done and dusted. Sounds awfully fuckin mypoic for someone with your levels of awesomeness. But hey. People are changing their minds. By all means write it off as a fad... but I'm not so sure this time.

No assumptions required, you're simply wrong, as I've demonstrated repeatedly, you're just too wrapped up in your stupid, convoluted fantasy to admit it.

As for people changing their minds, you're correct, as is evidenced by polls over the last several years, they're sick and fucking tired of politicians promising to give their money away to people who are perfectly capable of earning it themselves.... but can't be fucked.

More power to 'em, you'd all be fucked without them.

[mashman]

No assumptions required, you're simply wrong, as I've demonstrated repeatedly, you're just too wrapped up in your stupid, convoluted fantasy to admit it.

As for people changing their minds, you're correct, as is evidenced by polls over the last several years, they're sick and fucking tired of politicians promising to give their money away to people who are perfectly capable of earning it themselves.... but can't be fucked.

More power to 'em, you'd all be fucked without them.

The irony is strong in this one. I have 100% faith and belief in my fellow man. You have demonstrated nothing but compartmentalisation based on a rather ironic helping of systemic confirmation bias.

What are you going to lose?

Surely you mean, we'd all be fucked without them?

[Ocean1]

The irony is strong in this one. I have 100% faith and belief in my fellow man. You have demonstrated nothing but compartmentalisation based on a rather ironic helping of systemic confirmation bias.

What are you going to lose?

Surely you mean, we'd all be fucked without them?

Wrong again. I've repeatedly shown you that living standards have improved dramatically for every sector on the planet, you simply ignore them because it doesn't fit your needs.

Me? Nothing. No bunch of fuckwit latter day hippies is ever going to have the wherewithal to take anything off me.

Nope, I speak as one who produces more than I use, one of the ones those who use more than they produce would be fucked without. All clear?

[carbonhed]

It's a crying shame Slater is out of the country I'd love to see him and Hager squaring off in a studio. Scrawny rodent versus bush pig.

Meanwhile Labour thinks it's been hacked... sort of...

Violated

[carbonhed]

If Slater and Hager rode bikes what do you think they'd be?

Slater was easy... Harley's Fat Bob








Try as I might I just couldn't think of a bike for Hager... until I realised he'd be riding bitch of course.

[MisterD]

Maybe it shouldn't be, but it"s rather startling that so many people comment on a book they haven't read.

I haven't read the whole book (I'll wait until I can download it from a file sharing site that doesn't benefit Krim Dotcom) but I have read the sections NH selected for the Harold to publish and if that's the most damning stuff he's got? What a beat-up.

It's just possible that the thing that pisses me off most about the whole affair is that some pf the parliamentary churnos say that none of the revelations are surprising, 'cause they already knew about the goings on. Well if they know what's happening in parliament and don't tell us, fire their arse and get someone who can do the fucking job.

It's not that "they know what's going on", it's that this is how all parties and all journos around parliament operate, Hager's just trying to paint one side's kettle black, while pretending the other side's pot is shiny and clean.

On second thoughts that may not be the thing that pisses me off most, it's wankers chundering on about "the beltway". Where do these shitheads think they live Washingto DC?

/RANT

It's not the only annoying Merkin phrase that's overused, have you paid your BDOTGNZA subs? If not, why not? I agree though, it's a shame that "Beltway" is replacing the much more eloquent "Thorndon Bubble".

[Woodman]

Write a letter to the paper (any paper) and compare what you wrote and what they actually write for you! ... Media is totally controlled!

Stupid reporters have to toe the line or go somewhere else! Like blogging whale oil and stuff like that!

At least on the nett you can sort through the shit that "you" want or don't want to read! (probably not for much longer though!)

The media being totally controlled comment intrigues me, so I have some questions if you don't mind cos I don't know the answers.

Who controls the media?

How is the media controlled? Government plants? e.g. are newspaper editors government secret agents? Does every article have to be sent to a government office for vetting?

Is it just a conspiracy theorist mantra?

Anything else???????

Not rocking your boat, but I hear this a lot and nobody has actually said how the information is controlled, and by who(whom) and why?

[mashman]

Wrong again. I've repeatedly shown you that living standards have improved dramatically for every sector on the planet, you simply ignore them because it doesn't fit your needs.

Me? Nothing. No bunch of fuckwit latter day hippies is ever going to have the wherewithal to take anything off me.

Nope, I speak as one who produces more than I use, one of the ones those who use more than they produce would be fucked without. All clear?

I'm not ignoring that at all. But that doesn't mean I'll accept that what we have is the best it can be. That means highlighting that the ugly still exists in a large numbers. They are statistically convenienced away. I do not accept that as a solution. Your system is a half arsed attempt at fostering cooperation.

No one is out to take anything off you . Paranoid little fucka aincha.

Once you've finished wiping yourself off, you might want to climb off that high horse and consider how many people support you. Without them you are nothing. Not tall poppying you, just stating a fact that if you have no employees then you have no super duper business. they are not their for your convenience. They are there to help you produce something that we may well all need. If you dropped dead tomorrow (no I don't wish that in the slightest), someone else would fill your shoes, and the world would turn. You class yourself as successful. Glad to see it only cost you your soul.

[mashman]

Who controls the media?

How is the media controlled? Government plants? e.g. are newspaper editors government secret agents? Does every article have to be sent to a government office for vetting?

Is it just a conspiracy theorist mantra?

Anything else???????

Not rocking your boat, but I hear this a lot and nobody has actually said how the information is controlled, and by who(whom) and why?

My take:

Whoever controls the money.

Because media costs to run and relies on certain freedoms. Remove the freedoms or the money and you have no media. Even better, pump it into "entertainment" and "sensationalism" and you're on to a winner. Editors etc... are smart men, if the govt can lean on you, then you lean back and take your chances, or roll over and likely get paid very handsomely for it.

No, the evidence is before your eyes on them thar media devices. If you class things as all being well, such as classing the Edward Snowden documents that displayed contempt for people and bare faced lies, gathering info on who's being targeted, and then consider that this has been taking place for centuries through certain families, then I'd say that it was more of a fact than a theory. Each to his own.

Lots of else. Lots and lots and lots of else.

They use money and intimidation. What's your limit when there's everything to lose?

As always the big question is who are "they"? How would knowing that information really change anything if "they" already control everything .

[HenryDorsetCase]

I enjoyed this interview this morning.

I think if anyone is commenting on this topic, it would pay you to devote half an hour to listening to the man speak.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...dirty-politics


Not that I expect many of you to do that. Rational discourse is very passe these days.