Truck driver shortage - true or false?

[Grubber]

Sad indeed I agree, it grows like a weed and nobody should have to pay for it. That's just plain criminal in itself.

And like I said, got no issue if they want to grow it and use at home.
Just not in our workplace and dont drive the same roads I ride on.


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[Grubber]

Correct.
If it increase your gone as you are if it stays the same.
They are given plenty of oportunity to sort it.

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[skippa1]

The issue for those of us that employ, is that OSH or Worksafe as they call themselves now, take great delight in prosecuting companies for "allowing" staff to take control of anything if they are impaired and have an incident or accident. At the moment, drug testing is the only officially accepted method of assessing impairment and the different test types are neither devised by the employer, nor the thresholds set by the employer. It's either non negative or negative.

Until there is some sort of "real" impairment test, or Worksafe stop trying to penalise an employer for an employees actions, the problem won't go away.

bring back personal responsibility

[bogan]

Random tests are subject to levels testing after initial test. This determines if you keep your job or not. Same as with alcohol. Drug testing prior to starting determines if you will get a job or not.
Therefore if you have a toke Friday night and get tested Monday, if it shows low ammounts you get stood down for 5 days and retested. If you fail then your gone.
Think it a pretty fair system to be honest.
Gives people a chance to clean up and earn a good living.

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But testing isn't the same as with alcohol as that dissipates from the system so much quicker. Ie, you can be hungover (very much impaired) as fuck and still breath test ok, yet be unimpaired but have had a toke three days ago (completely unimpaired at testing time) and get the boot, how is that a pretty fair system?

Clean up? go 5 years without drinking and then start preaching about being clean, sunshine.

[Grubber]

The issue for those of us that employ, is that OSH or Worksafe as they call themselves now, take great delight in prosecuting companies for "allowing" staff to take control of anything if they are impaired and have an incident or accident. At the moment, drug testing is the only officially accepted method of assessing impairment and the different test types are neither devised by the employer, nor the thresholds set by the employer. It's either non negative or negative.

Until there is some sort of "real" impairment test, or Worksafe stop trying to penalise an employer for an employees actions, the problem won't go away.

bring back personal responsibility

So true. We are at thier mercy at times.
We adopted our policies to both cover OSH as well as our own company policy that we felt we wanted to work by.
We allow the standown in order to allow ( hopefully) a somewhat decent human being to better themselves.
We are often astounded how many dont take that oportunity given to them.

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[bogan]

The issue for those of us that employ, is that OSH or Worksafe as they call themselves now, take great delight in prosecuting companies for "allowing" staff to take control of anything if they are impaired and have an incident or accident. At the moment, drug testing is the only officially accepted method of assessing impairment and the different test types are neither devised by the employer, nor the thresholds set by the employer. It's either non negative or negative.

Until there is some sort of "real" impairment test, or Worksafe stop trying to penalise an employer for an employees actions, the problem won't go away.

bring back personal responsibility

Yeh no problem with workplaces who enforce the law. Its the holier than thou crowd who would rather judge people than actually think about the problem that annoy me, and are also the ones who allow creation of somewhat unfair laws.

[Madness]

We allow the standown in order to allow ( hopefully) a somewhat decent human being to better themselves.
We are often astounded how many dont take that oportunity given to them.

Maybe those that don't take the opportunity decide they don't want to work for an organisation that considers them less than decent human beings because of their Cannabis use. Maybe they don't consider that ceasing to use Cannabis would somehow better them? Maybe they think you and your company are just narrow-minded bigots and life's just too short to put up with such bullshit?

Just a thought.

[Grubber]

But testing isn't the same as with alcohol as that dissipates from the system so much quicker. Ie, you can be hungover (very much impaired) as fuck and still breath test ok, yet be unimpaired but have had a toke three days ago (completely unimpaired at testing time) and get the boot, how is that a pretty fair system?

Clean up? go 5 years without drinking and then start preaching about being clean, sunshine.

Dont think you reading this very well. Tested for both drugs and alcohol at the same time.
If you are over on either or, you stand down for 5 days. Fuck me what's not fair about that. If you turn up with it still in your system you lose ya job.
Jeez what esle do you need to be able to follow simple rules that are clearly stated in you friggin contract.
If you dont thinks it fair its quite simple, fuck off and work somewhere else.

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[skippa1]

We allow the standown in order to allow ( hopefully) a somewhat decent human being to better themselves.
We are often astounded how many dont take that oportunity given to them.

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What?

there are a vast range of people out there that smoke a bit of weed. I don't, but fuck.....to insinuate that you are somehow superior to them is a bit fuckin rich.

i don't agree with people driving impaired and until there is a better way of measuring impairment I will use what is available to protect the company and the rest of the staff from the law........but make them better people?......"fuck off

[bogan]

Dont think you reading this very well. Tested for both drugs and alcohol at the same time.
If you are over on either or, you stand down for 5 days. Fuck me what's not fair about that. If you turn up with it still in your system you lose ya job.
Jeez what esle do you need to be able to follow simple rules that are clearly stated in you friggin contract.
If you dont thinks it fair its quite simple, fuck off and work somewhere else.

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What isn't fair is that you test them on monday, and fridays alcohol won't show but friday's dope will. How about saturday's booze vs friday's dope, sunday's booze? Bottom line is people are being penalised not due to their level of driving impairment but simply because their drug of choice is illegal and detectable for a long period of time. We've shot you down on the whole idea that one toke impairs ability for as long as the drug is in your system; why is it so hard to make the next logical leap?

I don't think you understand how 'fair' works, 'fuck off somewhere else' is not an acceptable counter to 'the system is demonstrably unfair'

[Grubber]

What isn't fair is that you test them on monday, and fridays alcohol won't show but friday's dope will. How about saturday's booze vs friday's dope, sunday's booze? Bottom line is people are being penalised not due to their level of driving impairment but simply because their drug of choice is illegal and detectable for a long period of time. We've shot you down on the whole idea that one toke impairs ability for as long as the drug is in your system; why is it so hard to make the next logical leap?

I don't think you understand how 'fair' works, 'fuck off somewhere else' is not an acceptable counter to 'the system is demonstrably unfair'

Yea it is. Your well informed right from the start. Its surely YOUR own drug of choise and NOT ours as the employer. Up to you init.
Yea alcohol has dissapared by Monday and NO You're not under the influence 2 days later like your trying to imply. If you turn up and get tested, showing alcohol in your system the same deal applys.
How bout we just flag all testing and you can take your chances on the road with the idiots, how many dead ya reckon it would take to sort you out.
Its really siimple mate, dont do booze or drugs and your good to go its a fairly international requirement these days for good reason

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[bogan]

Yea it is. Your well informed right from the start. Its surely YOUR own drug of choise and NOT ours as the employer. Up to you init.
Yea alcohol has dissapared by Monday and NO You're not under the influence 2 days later like your trying to imply. If you turn up and get tested, showing alcohol in your system the same deal applys.
How bout we just flag all testing and you can take your chances on the road with the idiots, how many dead ya reckon it would take to sort you out.
Its really siimple mate, dont do booze or drugs and your good to go its a fairly international requirement these days for good reason

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It isn't my choice, and that is not what I am trying to imply. My point is neither of those things impair performance on monday, yet one will get you fired. It is a point you seem to be trying to sidestep quite a lot.

[Grubber]

It isn't my choice, and that is not what I am trying to imply. My point is neither of those things impair performance on monday, yet one will get you fired. It is a point you seem to be trying to sidestep quite a lot.

If there is enough in your system it will. How bout just don't. Now theres an idea, how hard can that be.

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[bogan]

If there is enough in your system it will. How bout just don't. Now theres an idea, how hard can that be.

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And you have supporting evidence that this is both the case, and the level at which the tests are performed to?

Tell you what, you stay off booze as long as I stay off dope, then we'll see how hard it can be eh!

[mashman]