Truck driver shortage - true or false?

[Madness]

Not at all, as I've already said a number of times, upholding the law is a good enough reason. However you take it a few steps further and treat users of it as lesser people; that blind judgement is what I disagree with.
Evidence that it significantly impairs throughout the period that it is detectable please. You keep trying to make this point but never back it up.
Really, do you test to a more stringent BAC level than police do then? How about one beer for breakfast, keep your job? Cos that stays in system and impairs you.
You need to wake up and stop treating people as lesser beings simply because their drug of choice is different to 'mainstream' NZ'rs. Anyone with a smidge of objectivity can see the testing between them is vastly skewed to penalise one more than the other; I fail to see why you try so hard to hold on to the illusion it is not.

Stop wasting your time. The fucktards will keep believing the myths from the 1930's and 1940's despite the law reforms sweeping western culture. Good people will continue to be sacked by them and their mates out of ignorance and with no evidence of actual impairment. Same old same old. These companies end up being full of foreigners and boring old white cunts (I know a few like that) then it is everyone elses fault, & so unfair when their companies struggle finding any good workers at all

[Grubber]

I noticed a few points that don't stack up with your earlier comment, please accept my ammendments

That last sentence stacks up though, I mean who could think you personal life was none of your employers business eh

What the hell.
Ive been telling uou for the last day that either in your system will get you a stand down.
Are you actually reading them or are you too stoned to take it in.
Theres that equal bit popping up. So you want to treates different to anyone else?
Rightly or wrongly, the employees personal life is none of our business. We not fuckin babysitters.

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[Madness]

Rightly or wrongly, the employees personal life is none of our business. We not fuckin babysitters.

OMFG, did you actually just type those words yourself?

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Jebus!

Still, I'm glad you're not fucking babysitters. I'd be jealous.

[Grubber]

Stop wasting your time. The fucktards will keep believing the myths from the 1930's and 1940's despite the law reforms sweeping western culture. Good people will continue to be sacked by them and their mates out of ignorance and with no evidence of actual impairment. Same old same old. These companies end up being full of foreigners and boring old white cunts (I know a few like that) then it is everyone elses fault, & so unfair when their companies struggle finding any good workers at all

Funny. We have no problem getting really good operators. Knockin at the door.
Mostly due to them looking to get out of drug infested workplaces.
Sorry Madness but the argument about impairment to me is your fellas way of looking for some way out of your drug infested habbit.
You guys know that when you toke you are impaired, you just wont admit it. Too what extent, im not prepared to gamble on that one with other peoples lives and my company at risk.

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[bogan]

What the hell.
Ive been telling uou for the last day that either in your system will get you a stand down.
Are you actually reading them or are you too stoned to take it in.
Theres that equal bit popping up. So you want to treates different to anyone else?
Rightly or wrongly, the employees personal life is none of our business. We not fuckin babysitters.

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Ok, lets try something with a little more research, what are your numerical limits in each of those cases?

Obviously I'm reading it as my points are pretty concise and direct, you just can't answer them without diversion; thus it seems more likely you are on drugs than I.
Equal, as in, use driving impairment levels as the metric for both cases.
Indeed, so why are you judging employees based on what they did friday night when it has no effect on monday morning?

Stop wasting your time. The fucktards will keep believing the myths from the 1930's and 1940's despite the law reforms sweeping western culture. Good people will continue to be sacked by them and their mates out of ignorance and with no evidence of actual impairment. Same old same old. These companies end up being full of foreigners and boring old white cunts (I know a few like that) then it is everyone elses fault, & so unfair when their companies struggle finding any good workers at all

Yeh but it is interesting to see just how much they will squirm around to keep those myths alive. Nice to note than many just do the enforcement because it is the law/liability issues rather than swallowing the myths whole.

[trustme]

OMFG, did you actually just type those words yourself?



Jebus!

Still, I'm glad you're not fucking babysitters. I'd be jealous.

What you do in your private life is none of my business, unfortunately all too often employees bring their private life to work. I'm sick of nose wiping & sorting out fucked the up private lives of employees. Don't make your problems mine .
' Oh but you are so heartless & clearly a bad employer '
Years of dealing with fucktards made me so

[Madness]

Funny. We have no problem getting really good operators. Knockin at the door.
Mostly due to them looking to get out of drug infested workplaces.

But you were saying that OSH (or Workplace as they're now known) have created an environment where employers have no choice but to screen as you do? How then are there still drug infested workplaces? Do you have people from the advertising industry knocking on your door maybe? More like you're full of shit.

Sorry Madness but the argument about impairment to me is your fellas way of looking for some way out of your drug infested habbit.
You guys know that when you toke you are impaired, you just wont admit it.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, once again. I have a Cannabis habit, hardly what I would consider a "drug infested habit" at all. Is that something you picked up from the testing "experts" pamphlets? You're a fucking joke.

Too what extent, im not prepared to gamble on that one with other peoples lives and my company at risk.

In other words, you're a bunch of discriminatory soft-cocks who are happy to buy into the drug testing industry built on hysteria and paranoia. Sweet, it's not like I'm ever going to lower my standards to work for you cunts anyway.

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No spellcheck on that shit then, huh?

[Madness]

What you do in your private life is none of my business, unfortunately all too often employees bring their private life to work. I'm sick of nose wiping & sorting out fucked the up private lives of employees. Don't make your problems mine .
' Oh but you are so heartless & clearly a bad employer '
Years of dealing with fucktards made me so

By taking action against an employee over a test using current methodology that merely confirms the residual presence of Cannabinoids you are indeed sticking your dirty big Jewish nose into their private lives.

Turning up to work on Monday morning after having a joint on Saturday night is not bringing your private life to work any more than if it were 2 dozen beersies instead.

I'm going to go to work tomorrow happy in the knowledge I don't have to work for either of you two fools.

[Grubber]

But you were saying that OSH (or Workplace as they're now known) have created an environment where employers have no choice but to screen as you do? How then are there still drug infested workplaces? Do you have people from the advertising industry knocking on your door maybe? More like you're full of shit.



You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, once again. I have a Cannabis habit, hardly what I would consider a "drug infested habit" at all. Is that something you picked up from the testing "experts" pamphlets? You're a fucking joke.



In other words, you're a bunch of discriminatory soft-cocks who are happy to buy into the drug testing industry built on hysteria and paranoia. Sweet, it's not like I'm ever going to lower my standards to work for you cunts anyway.



No spellcheck on that shit then, huh?

Just recently one of my sub contractor's had an accident and involving one of thier trucks. It basically ran up the arse of a car crawling behind another truck that was also behind a wideload travelling at a speed of 70 k. He killed both occupants of the car and caused millions of dollars worth of damage. He fuckin tested to having huge ammounts of THC in his system. Enough to indicate a joint within the last 3 hours.
Would you be happy with that on ya concience.
I actually think you would.
As for a job....seriously do you think we would ever employ someone like yourself.
Your words are fruitless lad. Your arguments are all solely based on your usage and how your being discrimated against. Nobody asked you to smoke pot did they!
Alcohol was widely used and people used to druve anything from horse and cart through to later model cars with no laws.
Times have changed.
Would you still be happy for there to be no drink drive laws?

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[bogan]

Just recently one of my sub contractor's had an accident and involving one of thier trucks. It basically ran up the arse of a car crawling behind another truck that was also behind a wideload travelling at a speed of 70 k. He killed both occupants of the car and caused millions of dollars worth of damage. He fuckin tested to having huge ammounts of THC in his system. Enough to indicate a joint within the last 3 hours.
Would you be happy with that on ya concience.
I actually think you would.
As for a job....seriously do you think we would ever employ someone like yourself.
Your words are fruitless lad. Your arguments are all solely based on your usage and how your being discrimated against. Nobody asked you to smoke pot did they!
Alcohol was widely used and people used to druve anything from horse and cart through to later model cars with no laws.
Times have changed.
Would you still be happy for there to be no drink drive laws?

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Was actually near one of my job sites so I can recall some other facts reported that make you sound like you are full of shit.
"The level of THC in Newman's blood was consistent with him having smoked a cannabis cigarette between one and seven hours before the crash."
""It is accepted that THC possibly stays elevated in the blood when used consistently," the judge said. "There is no evidence it had a causitive effect, but it must be taken into account."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crim...er-fiery-crash

[trustme]

By taking action against an employee over a test using current methodology that merely confirms the residual presence of Cannabinoids you are indeed sticking your dirty big Jewish nose into their private lives.

Turning up to work on Monday morning after having a joint on Saturday night is not bringing your private life to work any more than if it were 2 dozen beersies instead.

I'm going to go to work tomorrow happy in the knowledge I don't have to work for either of you two fools.

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE . The terms of employment are crystal clear from day one, you know what you are getting into when we employ you. Fuck up & you are gone. It's taken me years to reach the point where I will no longer tolerate the likes of you

[Madness]

Just recently one of my sub contractor's had an accident and involving one of thier trucks. It basically ran up the arse of a car crawling behind another truck that was also behind a wideload travelling at a speed of 70 k. He killed both occupants of the car and caused millions of dollars worth of damage. He fuckin tested to having huge ammounts of THC in his system. Enough to indicate a joint within the last 3 hours.

Fat lot of good all this drug testing did then, innit?

Would you be happy with that on ya concience.
I actually think you would.

Are you saying it weighs on yours? Harden up bitch, ever heard of personal responsibility? Maybe if you and your subbies hired people based on having some of that rather than a flawed drug test result, your subbie wouldn't have caused so much carnage.

I bet you wore your cape a lot that week, eh?

As for a job....seriously do you think we would ever employ someone like yourself.

Do you seriously think I'd be interested in anything as boring as driving a load of onions from A to B? I think deep sleep would me more mentally stimulating. In fact, it's a wonder your biggest issue isn't workplace suicide.

Your words are fruitless lad. Your arguments are all solely based on your usage and how your being discrimated against. Nobody asked you to smoke pot did they!

My words are fruitless in so much as you'll always be an ignorant fuckhead, I accept that. My argument on this subject is the same as Bogan's, it's about equality. Nobody asked a gay person to be gay either - imagine if your daughter turned dyke, lol!

Alcohol was widely used and people used to druve anything from horse and cart through to later model cars with no laws.
Times have changed.
Would you still be happy for there to be no drink drive laws?

People used Cannabis for centuries before there were any laws against it, what's your point?

Of course we need drink drive laws, just as we need laws to prevent people from driving whilst impaired by any drugs. Simply persecuting people for having traces of Cannabinoids is unjust.

Why do you think the law enforcement agencies don't do roadside testing for the presence of Cannabinoids, Groober?

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Quite appropriate really, innit? I mean it's almost as boring and repetitive as your actual posts.

[Madness]

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE . The terms of employment are crystal clear from day one, you know what you are getting into when we employ you. Fuck up & you are gone. It's taken me years to reach the point where I will no longer tolerate the likes of you

Sweet, name your company then and do us all a favour. I'll start a thread; other cunty organisations to avoid"I

[Grubber]

Madness!
Its painfully obvious you and Bogan are tokes up.
You have missed virtually any connection or point that has ever been made by either myaelf or anyone else.
You will never get it.
You states there was no laws against canabis years ago, the same as I pointed out for alcohol also. There is now for alcohol and also canabis. Did you miss that point somewhere.
Jeez what the fuck is your point ya goof.
Im gonna move on as I am bored with your rubbish now.
Maybe the 2 of you can scrap amongst yourselves.
All you seem to be keen om doing is hurley pointleas abuse really. Slightly teenage material.

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[trustme]

You launch a personal attack on a company. Care to put your real name forward .