What's your take on Broken Dreams: The Boeing 787

**ellipsis** · 15th September 2014, 13:04

...if man was supposed to fly, surely we would have been born covered in feathers...the earth is flat, why cant we just walk...these blokes brought us the Ural and the T34 but obviously this thing cant fly...yanks may only have crescents and big hammers in their tool kits, but the russkys only have rusty open enders and vodka in theirs.. it's all done with strings and mirrors...

**scrivy** · 15th September 2014, 13:24

Hmmmm...... weren't these same clever engineers the ones that said that bumblebees can't fly?????

I'd fuck it... errr... I mean fly on it..... we're all gunna die one day anyway......

**R650R** · 15th September 2014, 18:45

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

After seeing how carbon fiber push bikes tend to fail in a spectacular fashion compared to more traditional materials such as aluminum, I guess the same could happen to an aircraft if it's stressed in a direction which it's not meant to be stressed in.

Yes. And while gliders and selected parts on other planes may have used composites its a different story on a mass produced airliner. We will have to wait and see how a carbon airframe lasts when exposed to constant temp extremes and long term exposure to jet fuel fumes etc.
The economics of carbon are all based around using less of it, a minimum amount. Any extra layers for safety/redundancy and you may as well use aluminium.

**imdying** · 16th September 2014, 09:29

Originally Posted by R650R

We will have to wait and see how a carbon airframe lasts when exposed to constant temp extremes and long term exposure to jet fuel fumes etc.

Why? They've been doing it for many decades. Ask Air New Zealand if the flaps keep falling off their A320s.

**R650R** · 16th September 2014, 17:11

Originally Posted by imdying

Why? They've been doing it for many decades. Ask Air New Zealand if the flaps keep falling off their A320s.

Yes everyones aware of the regular drops of equipment on top of manukau shopping centre... and that's the just the ones we know about.

**Stylo** · 16th September 2014, 18:02

As soon as the early part of the vid showed supposed 'passengers' using the emergency shuts on an obviously Boeing branded show pony 787 aircraft rather than from an actual airline as was inferred, I didn't bother watching the rest.

Credibility down the toilet in an instant.

**jonbuoy** · 17th September 2014, 00:58

I think the biggest risk factor of flying is the operation of the aircraft - maintenance budgets, quality of pilots/ground crew.

**ellipsis** · 17th September 2014, 01:07

...anal-ise all you fucking like..the biggest risk is waking up and leaving home...

**imdying** · 17th September 2014, 09:49

Originally Posted by R650R

Yes everyones aware of the regular drops of equipment on top of manukau shopping centre... and that's the just the ones we know about.

Exactly... they've been flying a fleet of aircraft with carbon parts 6 times a day for years and they don't give any more trouble than anything that has come before them. Composites are all over aircraft and have been for years, the only change here is that the percentage of parts of a commercial jet is at its highest thus far, no big deal.

**unstuck** · 17th September 2014, 10:19

Seatbelts in planes, now there is an idea I dont get. Only any good in turbulance I would have thought. Seatbelt wont do shit for your hairdo when you slam into the ground at a couple of hundred miles an hour.