Any one have Round-up shares?

[puddytat]

Nah, we never touch the stuff.
Monsanto might have done some initial testing (or Dow or Bayer or whoever) of the product before release ,but have done no tests on how it effects micro organisms & how it does not break down easily & is present in most people & women's breast milk.(or they may have & not released the findings or even actually really tried to do proper scientific tests?)
The problem is as I see it ,is the blanket spraying of not only roundup ,but several other sprays used on the same crop as well.
This shit never existed until the green revolution after WW2....all made outta petrochemicals, that do not naturally occur in the ecosystem. Life as we know it being bombarded with these unnatural chemicals & we are unable to adapt & evolve to them, at the pace they're being poured down our throats.
Is it coincidence that many of the syndromes that effect society today have also only become apparent since the introduction of pesticides & herbicides?


Nah, surely not. The FDA says its safe so it must be. The companies told them so....

[husaberg]

Nah, we never touch the stuff.
Monsanto might have done some initial testing (or Dow or Bayer or whoever) of the product before release ,but have done no tests on how it effects micro organisms & how it does not break down easily & is present in most people & women's breast milk.(or they may have & not released the findings or even actually really tried to do proper scientific tests?)
The problem is as I see it ,is the blanket spraying of not only roundup ,but several other sprays used on the same crop as well.
This shit never existed until the green revolution after WW2....all made outta petrochemicals, that do not naturally occur in the ecosystem. Life as we know it being bombarded with these unnatural chemicals & we are unable to adapt & evolve to them, at the pace they're being poured down our throats.
Is it coincidence that many of the syndromes that effect society today have also only become apparent since the introduction of pesticides & herbicides?


Nah, surely not. The FDA says its safe so it must be. The companies told them so....

Its needs to be remembered that the NZ use of Round-up is very different to the states and other GE crop using Round up ready farming systems.
The GE modified "round up ready" crops are blanket sprayed with round up as they are tolerant of its use.
Also some crops are sprayed overseas with Glyphosate herbicides to lower the wilt times (Sugar for example), this doesn't happen in NZ with food products like it does overseas
Glyphosate is pretty much only used in NZ for spraying out pastures and waste areas.

[puddytat]

Well the plants themselves may well be tolerant to roundup, but many of the beneficial bacteria & fungi living in the soil are not.....without those beneficial greeblies to keep the bad ones in check you get what they are struggling with in the US . For example the fungi destroying corn & the "sudden death" syndrome of soya.
But the chemical company will just sell you another spray to add to the mix.
When these products are exported they come with those pathogens. There are many areas that now have these issues as the pathogens come with the seed & are introduced into areas that didn't have these problems before.
It seems to me that if problems are arising due to excessive spray use, then you have to be either callous to use it & stupid to continue using it .
Add in the TPPA & we'll be facing pressure from the US if its ever ratified & next thing we'll have them overriding our legislation & ramming more of their shit down your throats....

Most of this will no doubt go in one ear & out the other. Its a Baby Boomer thing. Just like the warnings about
Antibiotics.

(nothing personal Husa).

[husaberg]

Well the plants themselves may well be tolerant to roundup, but many of the beneficial bacteria & fungi living in the soil are not.....without those beneficial greeblies to keep the bad ones in check you get what they are struggling with in the US . For example the fungi destroying corn & the "sudden death" syndrome of soya.
But the chemical company will just sell you another spray to add to the mix.
When these products are exported they come with those pathogens. There are many areas that now have these issues as the pathogens come with the seed & are introduced into areas that didn't have these problems before.
It seems to me that if problems are arising due to excessive spray use, then you have to be either callous to use it & stupid to continue using it .
Add in the TPPA & we'll be facing pressure from the US if its ever ratified & next thing we'll have them overriding our legislation & ramming more of their shit down your throats....

Most of this will no doubt go in one ear & out the other. Its a Baby Boomer thing. Just like the warnings about
Antibiotics.

(nothing personal Husa).

I actually totally agree the over use of herbicides and I personally was concerned and have never agreed with the USA's over use of antibiotics, BST also Monensin (Rumensin) etc in US AG systems.
Plus the no rotation monocrop systems used extensively overseas if unsustainable long term.
If you want a prime US example of this look into the almond industries problems with pollination and unsustainable water use.
I also disagree with the general over use of Nitrogen and phosphate overseas.
But that said on the whole NZ generally has got the sustainable land use rules checks and balances right.
We held off on the GE crops. We generally stuck to a low cost low input pastoral system. We also included extensive restriction on Antibiotics and fertiliser and herbicide use.
As a former grazier. I also recognised early on what was happening with avermectin/ivermectin resistance. but all these issues above are from over use under regulation rather then a chemicals or the farming themselves

[carbonhed]

For example the fungi destroying corn & the "sudden death" syndrome of soya.

This is from Dr Don Huber?

Goss's Wilt disease? And Fusarium solani on the Soy?

The mystery organism? Is it a virus, is it a fungus, is it a prion?

Has he actually produced it yet?

[Ocean1]

Is it coincidence that many of the syndromes that effect society today have also only become apparent since the introduction of pesticides & herbicides?

Of course not. They've got a lot to answer for.

The having-enough-to-eat syndrome was completely unheard of before pesticides and herbicides.

[pete376403]

Of course not. They've got a lot to answer for.

The having-enough-to-eat syndrome was completely unheard of before pesticides and herbicides.

And now with pesticides and herbicides it has been replaced with the over-production-and-subsequent-wastage-of-food syndrome and it's related obesity epidemics


http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/12/02/14804.aspx

[Ocean1]

And now with pesticides and herbicides it has been replaced with the over-production-and-subsequent-wastage-of-food syndrome and it's related obesity epidemics


http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/12/02/14804.aspx

Big Farma, eh?

Cunts.

[puddytat]

This is from Dr Don Huber?

Goss's Wilt disease? And Fusarium solani on the Soy?

The mystery organism? Is it a virus, is it a fungus, is it a prion?

Has he actually produced it yet?

No it was from the ADR doco from Gemany....& probably its all three of the above. Havn't heard of Huber, but no doubt you don't like him .

Of course not. They've got a lot to answer for.

The having-enough-to-eat syndrome was completely unheard of before pesticides and herbicides.

Wow you agreed!
I don't depute that technology has improved production of foodstuffs. Though being a luddite I am of course Organic.

Big Farma, eh?

Cunts.

Wow ! Glad to see your in agreement again.....

[TheDemonLord]

Is it coincidence that many of the syndromes that effect society today have also only become apparent since the introduction of pesticides & herbicides?

I'd like to point out that there have been a multitude of changes in the time period presented. We are living nearly 20 years longer - considering that in terms of our Evolutionary path we used to live till about 30ish, and only in the last 500 years or so have we been starting to live longer, and in the last century our Life expectancy has almost doubled. Mix in our methods for diagnosing and discovering conditions has improved massively.

Pesticides and Herbicides may be a contributing factor, but so much has changed that I think it's a tad unfair to lay all the blame on one place.

[Katman]

Pesticides and Herbicides may be a contributing factor, but so much has changed that I think it's a tad unfair to lay all the blame on one place.

Yeah, let's not forget about the vaccines.

[carbonhed]

No it was from the ADR doco from Gemany....& probably its all three of the above. Havn't heard of Huber, but no doubt you don't like him .
.

Oh you'll love Don Huber... just remember to place a bowl under your chin to catch the drool.

http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/201...odified-crops/

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.o...gen-time-bomb/

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, let's not forget about the vaccines.

Too bad that your condition is as old as humanity itself

[puddytat]

Pesticides and Herbicides may be a contributing factor, but so much has changed that I think it's a tad unfair to lay all the blame on one place.

Sorry to give the impression that I was that thick.....I was not laying the blame on 'them" alone.
They are just one of many things that cause their share of the problems that we face.
We can keep on denying that there is nothing wrong with the current situation & point out the good bits, but it is really just burying our heads in the sand & is not solving the issues.

[Ocean1]

Sorry to give the impression that I was that thick.....I was not laying the blame on 'them" alone.
They are just one of many things that cause their share of the problems that we face.
We can keep on denying that there is nothing wrong with the current situation & point out the good bits, but it is really just burying our heads in the sand & is not solving the issues.

Only nobody's actually said there's no bad bits. Just that the good bits are far, far larger than the bad bits, and for the moment there's no viable alternatives.

And when there are they'll be coming from the same source you blame for all those problems: those responsible for the existing options.

Focusing on the negatives of human behavior isn't just ignoring more than half of the facts, nor is it simply highlighting anthropogenic issues, it's just symptomatic of an embedded and intractable misanthropy.