Oh buggggggggggggggggggar

[trustme]

They are not borrowing a billion dollars a month , get your facts right

[husaberg]

If you want the Nats to stop borrowing, which part of their budget should they take a knife to first to balance the books. Health , education , maybe they could slash the cost for law & order by introducing the death penalty. Fuck the dole bludgers let them eat cake, Lets up the pension age to 75. They did not create the GFC , they have simply had to manage their way through it.
If they had balanced the budget you would really have something to snivel about.

And yes I do blame Clark & Sullen for a lot of that. In the boom times they locked in costs that would always be unsustainable when the downturn came, as it inevitably would.

Bit late in the game to be still blaming labour isn't it.
THE GFC is a result of right wing policies on a global scale, the manufacturing of worth from thin air. It collapsed and the tax payers funded the fixing not the ones who profited from it
Here the nats masterminded a Bailing out Rio Tinto clever,
The Nats also pushed the funded the fixing of the private financial intitutions by tax payers.... WHY , doesn't fit user pays does it?
Ïf the tax system world wide and in NZ was just.... would Facebook be paying less tax in NZ than a dole blogger does........
Whose snivelling? oh yes ...you "its all Labours fault still........

[trustme]

Please edit that post so that it makes some sort of sense
I have never blamed Labour for the GFC , I do think they left us in a poor position to cope with it. When people spout on about the Nats borrowing, I don't see they had much choice other than undertake massive spending cuts. I don't like the borrowing but those were the cards they were dealt.
I didn't like Rogernomics but those were the cards the Lange govt were dealt , they had no choice

[Yow Ling]

Bailing Rio Tinto saved more than 3000 jobs, if they let it go what would you say then ?

The taxpayer through the National led govt has paid how much toward Pike River, not because they were bailing their rich mates, but because it was probably the right thing to do.

Labour couldnt make Facebook, Google, Amazon pay taxes here either, maybe if they collected more gst at the border this would help

[husaberg]

Bailing Rio Tinto saved more than 3000 jobs, if they let it go what would you say then ?

The taxpayer through the National led govt has paid how much toward Pike River, not because they were bailing their rich mates, but because it was probably the right thing to do.

Labour couldnt make Facebook, Google, Amazon pay taxes here either, maybe if they collected more gst at the border this would help

No it didn't save 3000 jobs, about 600 jobs were delayed in order to go ahead with the sale of power generators.
They were given (again) massive tax breaks and even more favourable pricing structures Than what they had signed up for (a contract)
No Mike the nats spent nothing on Pike....
They just made Solid energy buy it
Then guess what happened? solid energy got in the shit, borrowed a lot of money money they couldn't afford to to pay, then a dividend they had to pay, to the government.
SO who never got bailed out? Solid Energy a NZ owned SOE.
last count the direct job losses were about 1200........ Yet no bail out. I wonder how long it is before they are for sale? The company is worthless, but the assets (mineral permits) are pretty valuable..........
ACC was a big investor in (Read HUGE) (NZOAG part owners in pike) they were a secured creditor, But NZOAG they still did pretty well last year...........

[Yow Ling]

No it didn't save 3000 jobs about 600 jobs were delayed in order to go ahead with the sale of power generators.
They were given again massive breaks
No Mike the nats spent nothing on Pike....
They just made Solid energy buy it and they guess what happened? solid energy got in the shit borrowed a lot of money they couldn't afford to to pay a dividend they had to to the government and who never got bailed out Solid Energy a NZ owner SOE
last count the direct job losses were about 1200 yet no bail out. wonder how long it is before they are for sale the company is worthless but the assets (mineral permits) are pretty valuable..........
ACC was a big investor in (Read HUGE) (NZOAG part owners in pike) they were a secured creditor, But NZOAG they still did pretty well last year...........

Pike River $10,900,000 http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...pike-costs.pdf

Yes you right not 3000 jobs at Tiwai just 800 , insignificant really.

Re NZOAG isnt being a limited liability company supposed to limit your liability ?

Didnt Labour stop forestry in large areas of the coast?

I guess some things we will never agree on

[Swoop]

Bit of a disaster. National gained, Labour and the Greens lost, and the Conservatives didn't get 5%.

No disaster at all, in fact quite a good result. A stable government for 3yrs, harawera & hare gone, AND the lunatic fringe party took a hit.

Well - they say you get the government you deserve,

No, wrong again. NZ has the only credible government. The leftists' have no idea how to run a piss-up in a brewery, let alone be "responsible".

Thanks Nicky Hager and Dotcom, Harre etc for all your help in facilitating this most excellent of outcomes, couldn't be better . Awesome !

The "backfire of the century". For sure.

Labour hasn't been in the thrall of the unions in NZ for quite some years...

Sorry, wrong again. If we look into the funding of political parties, unions are a significant factor.

[husaberg]

Pike River $10,900,000 http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...pike-costs.pdf

Yes you right not 3000 jobs at Tiwai just 800 , insignificant really.

Re NZOAG isnt being a limited liability company supposed to limit your liability ?

Didnt Labour stop forestry in large areas of the coast?

I guess some things we will never agree on

Like I said less jobs than solid energy which is a NZ owner company
Labour never stopped forestry they stopped indigious milling
The Nats gave away ownership of the lands the crown forest was on as a treaty settlement though
then SOE that ran them (Timberlands)went out of business now that they had to pay for land they previously owned though.
The labour party when it stopped the native logging paid the West coast 120 million as a compensation package.

yeah the fact that NZOAG got paid even though they were the major owner and ran the place
The contractors never got paid,only the banks and the secured creditor including the owners.
Sure that is their fault the contractors for being trusting in the word of the parent company.
11 million on running a investigation and a rescue mission that accomplished nothing is not a bail out Mike.

You are right Mike, we probably won't ever agree as I live here, I drive past all the memorials (every day)
for people that died as a result of negligence of a system where profit was put ahead of people. NZOAG.
I live where the people accountable have never been held accountable for their actions and inactions.
I feel the safe way about the CTV build as well.

[Yow Ling]

Like I said less jobs than solid energy which is a NZ owner company
Labour never stopped forestry they stopped indigious milling
The Nats gave away ownership of the lands the crown forest was on as a treaty settlement though
then SOE that ran them (Timberlands)went out of business now that they had to pay for land they previously owned though.
The labour party when it stopped the native logging paid the West coast 120 million as a compensation package.

yeah the fact that NZOAG got paid even though they were the major owner and ran the place
The contractors never got paid,only the banks and the secured creditor including the owners
sure that is their fault the contractors for being trusting in the word of the parent company.
11 million on running a investigation and a rescue mission that accomplished nothing is not a bail out Mike.

OK Glenn, I was just blowing out of a hole on my head.

Fact is NZ didnt want a Labour govt this time round, That fact I have right

[husaberg]

OK Glenn, I was just blowing out of a hole on my head.

Fact is NZ didnt want a Labour govt this time round, That fact I have right

This is true, the voters don't lie, the politicians (both sides) do.

[Ocean1]

Labour hasn't been in the thrall of the unions in NZ for quite some years -

What?

http://www.elections.org.nz/sites/de...nd%20Rules.pdf

I got sick of scrolling through the hundreds of instances of "union" in the document but figured you'd do that yourself if you were interested enough.

"AFFILIATES
48) An affiliate of the Party is any Trade Union or other organisation, which has applied for membership, subscribes to the Constitution and Policy of the Party, and has been approved by the New Zealand Council."

Care to take a shot at how many unions are NOT approved affiliates?

The Labour party leadership is elected largely by the unions, it isn't just in thrall to the unions, it's owned by them, lock, stock and barrel.

[Woodman]

Cunliffe showed his desperation and his stupidity, and lost any respect I had for him when he used the recovery of the bodies in the Pike river mine as an election issue.

Fucked if I know why the Coasters stick by Labour really. Can't still be the blackball thing surely.

[husaberg]

Cunliffe showed his desperation and his stupidity, and lost any respect I had for him when he used the recovery of the bodies in the Pike river mine as an election issue.

Fucked if I know why the Coasters stick by Labour really. Can't still be the blackball thing surely.

Lesser of two evils even if one of them is pretty gormless.
We have three MP's in again this year one green, one National and one Labour.
Same as last election we might be more savvy with the voting than you think.....
3 Mp's and 30000 in the electorate.
Maureen Pugh is actually a nice honest person. I know her reasonably well.
Level headed and articulate. AS is Damien O'connor a genuine nice guy, likely too nice and honest (both of them) for politics.

West Coast last election was National as an electorate and party vote I believe.
Damian Oconnor only got in last time after a retirement on the list.
The green guy gets in on a party vote obviously.

[JimO]

Yes you right not 3000 jobs at Tiwai just 800 , insignificant really.

unless your one of the 800 or from Southland

[unstuck]

unless your one of the 800 or from Southland

Quite a few from Tiwai live in central otago.