Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[bluninja]

Tad less attitude tho mate...this is a forum, we talk about shit, to clarify shit...dont like it, sweet as!, no need to threaten & insult people...with rough bum sex!...thats just wrong!! (Unless your Nodrog!...then its normal...ish)

ps...you actualy make a very good point regarding the bodies ...but fucking a miners daughter sure as shit doesn't make you an expert either!...were all clutching at straws and seeking the truth behind this sad event.

No threats....the insult was specific to those trying to make this tragedy party politics. As for FACTS.....would it not be your responsibility as a human being to whistle blow on real facts if illegal acts have occurred that lead to this tragedy. After all if you leak to a journo and it's in the public interest then they can publish and protect their source....even if it's Nicky Hager .

Fucking a miners daughter makes me an expert in one area as for mining I leave that to my father, father in law, uncles, and school friends that work/ed down the mines as engineers and face workers.

Yup this is a forum....if you don't like my attitude.....I have others

[willytheekid]

No threats....the insult was specific to those trying to make this tragedy party politics. As for FACTS.....would it not be your responsibility as a human being to whistle blow on real facts if illegal acts have occurred that lead to this tragedy. After all if you leak to a journo and it's in the public interest then they can publish and protect their source....even if it's Nicky Hager .

Fucking a miners daughter makes me an expert in one area as for mining I leave that to my father, father in law, uncles, and school friends that work/ed down the mines as engineers and face workers.

Yup this is a forum....if you don't like my attitude.....I have others

Nothing wrong with your attitude mate...just not into rough bum sex! (Even if i do ride honda!)

As I KEEP saying, Im just passing on what the actual workers are all saying, and the companys "worries"...hence nothing for me to "whistle blow", again, just pasing on the "talk" from the mine and the historical evidence all ready available to the public...mine was unsafe, mine exploded, poeple died, sad day for all of NZ.

Will be interesting to see what the coasters do tho...end of the day its really there call if they want to push again...couldn't blame them either way they decide as they have been through enough all ready.

Later fucker


ps...T.H.C (used to run the Crowbar at the Mill ...hope the surfs still good round the mount)

[trustme]

Some maybe all adventure tourism operators require clients to sign non liability clauses so why cant SE offer those to people who want to go in?

I'm not a lawyer but I suspect there is quite a difference legally between the employer / employee relationship & that of a tour operator & his client who signs a waiver.

Signing the waiver does not prevent the tour operator being prosecuted if an accident happens. Work Safe will still have a go at the operator. Key recently warned the adventure tourism industry to clean up it's act.
Farmers are liable for anything that happens on their patch. Remember the bee keeper who got killed when the farmers bridge failed. Farmer got nailed.
I suspect SE would still be liable for what ever happened at Pike River, waiver or no waiver.

[oldrider]

Is that the same thing as a KB waiver?

[Ocean1]

They were running the place, they were applying the pressure both indirectly and directly by withdraws and offers of bonus's huge levels of pressure were being applied to perform ........
Pressure is applied with words not with emails or is minuted at meetings.......
Do you know anyone who worked there or died there Ocean. I know plenty in both camps.
Knowing stuff and proving stuff in a court of law are very different.

Dude, this isn't difficult. Nobody here expects a watertight legal case, just a bit of coherence. "I know NZOAG used their position as shareholders to dictate management of safety issues because......"


Simply repeating "They were running the place" ad nauseum is legally incorrect and boring as fuck.

[husaberg]

Dude, this isn't difficult. Nobody here expects a watertight legal case, just a bit of coherence. "I know NZOAG used their position as shareholders to dictate management of safety issues because......"


Simply repeating "They were running the place" ad nauseum is legally incorrect and boring as fuck.

As soon as I say, what I know to be true as told to me by many people who were there. You will again say prove it. So around in circles we go..........
So who do you think was calling the shots then Ocean... If it was not the owners of pike............

[Ocean1]

As soon as I say, what I know to be true as told to me by many people who were there. You will again say prove it. So around in circles we go..........
So who do you think was calling the shots then Ocean... If it was not the owners of pike............

You haven't said anything specific about what you know to be true whatsoever dude. "They were running the place" doesn't actually mean much, whereas pointing out that Pike River Ltd were the ones legally responsible for safety on that site is a simple statement of fact.

So what have all these people been saying, specifically? I'm quite prepared to believe that investors got all heavy handed on the board, happens in most businesses, it's their money being played with after all. But that doesn't mean they're responsible for any gross neglect of safety issues.

[husaberg]

You haven't said anything specific about what you know to be true whatsoever dude. "They were running the place" doesn't actually mean much, whereas pointing out that Pike River Ltd were the ones legally responsible for safety on that site is a simple statement of fact.

So what have all these people been saying, specifically? I'm quite prepared to believe that investors got all heavy handed on the board, happens in most businesses, it's their money being played with after all. But that doesn't mean they're responsible for any gross neglect of safety issues.

I simple statement of fact is Pike river coal was a company Coontroled by who........again Ocean..... who controlled Pike river coal.. you can shut your eyes and hide behind pike river coal just as the owners have all you like.
Just as you also can argue time and again how it is fair corporate and multinationals in nz pay less tax than the average family does.......because it is legal.
I asked pretty clearly you did you know anyone who worked there or died there...... as you didn't answer and chose to ignore the question I can assume you didn't......... So with the greatest Respect I can muster, shut the fuck up about stuff you know nothing about.
Either or write a letter to the editor in our local paper http://www.greystar.co.nz/contact-us
Please feel free to include your home number and address inviting all the local people here that have lost friends and family to contact you so you can regale them yourself your simple statements of facts......

[Ocean1]

I simple statement of fact is Pike river coal was a company Coontroled by who........again Ocean..... who controlled Pike river coal.. you can shut your eyes and hide behind pike river coal just as the owners have all you like.
Just as you also can argue time and again how it is fair corporate and multinationals in nz pay less tax than the average family does.......because it is legal.
I asked pretty clearly you did you know anyone who worked there or died there...... as you didn't answer and chose to ignore the question I can assume you didn't......... So with the greatest Respect I can muster, shut the fuck up about stuff you know nothing about.
Either or write a letter to the editor in our local paper http://www.greystar.co.nz/contact-us
Please feel free to include your home number and address inviting all the local people here that have lost friends and family to contact you so you can regale them yourself your simple statements of facts......

Fuck all respect there dude. And so far you're correct, I'm completely ignorant about any instance where NZOAG "controlled" the company legally responsible for safety on site. Which is why I asked you to provide one, since that seemed to be the basis on which you seem to blame anyone other than the company responsible.

As a matter of interest who do you think should be responsible for safety in workplaces?

Oh, and whether I know people affected by the tragedy is not relevant and none of your fucking business.

[husaberg]

Fuck all respect there dude. And so far you're correct, I'm completely ignorant about any instance where NZOAG "controlled" the company legally responsible for safety on site. Which is why I asked you to provide one, since that seemed to be the basis on which you seem to blame anyone other than the company responsible.

As a matter of interest who do you think should be responsible for safety in workplaces?

Oh, and whether I know people affected by the tragedy is not relevant and none of your fucking business.

People reasonable for safety start first with the workers move to the company that employs them then to the owners lastly to the government body that's very existence to ensure that financial issues do not override safety measures
At Pike all these failed..........
Pike river no longer exists the police have decided it is to hard to prosecute the people at pike, the charges against them were not pursued for a number of reasons .

If you lived the last four years in a community surround daily by the pain and loss that had occurred as a result of this situation you would be answer the question.......

[Ocean1]

People reasonable for safety start first with the workers move to the company that employs them then to the owners lastly to the government body that's very existence to ensure that financial issues do not override safety measures.

Is this your personal philosophical opinion or is it enshrined in law somewhere?

[husaberg]

As a matter of interest who do you think should be responsible for safety in workplaces?

People reasonable for safety start first with the workers move to the company that employs them then to the owners lastly to the government body that's very existence to ensure that financial issues do not override safety measures
At Pike all these failed..........
..

Is this your personal philosophical opinion or is it enshrined in law somewhere?

Look at the question you asked and decide hint you asked me for my opinion.
We could argue all night long but the outcome will always be the 29 are still dead and it is no one with a great accountant, an acceptable level of deniability and decent lawyers fault at all according to you

[Ocean1]

Look at the question you asked and decide hint you asked me for my opinion.
We could argue all night long but the outcome will always be the 29 are still dead and it is no one with a great accountant, an acceptable level of deniability and decent lawyers fault at all according to you

OK, so it's your personal opinion on who should be responsible. Fine.

I haven't expressed an opinion on who should be responsible, just who legally actually is responsible.

You simply assumed I agree with the legal conventions. I don't.

[husaberg]

OK, so it's your personal opinion on who should be responsible. Fine.

I haven't expressed an opinion on who should be responsible, just who legally actually is responsible.

You simply assumed I agree with the legal conventions. I don't.

Ocean I could post multi quote after multi quote of you expressing so what that is the law on a huge number of different subjects .
like I said earlier write a letter to the local rag expressing your opinion inviting the other families friends and the widows to counter your opinions.

[Ocean1]

Ocean I could post multi quote after multi quote of you expressing so what that is the law on a huge number of different subjects .
like I said earlier write a letter to the local rag expressing your opinion inviting the other families friends and the widows to counter your opinions.

Perhaps that's because a lot of people complain about the perfectly legal actions of others.

If you don't like the rules then change them.