Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[Brian d marge]

Is the point not already proven? that the 'olderclass' have sold their children's future for a pack of ciggies?

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

[Ocean1]

Yea but wasn't the difference that this bill would actually see the kids fed?
It's not the kids fault they have shit parents, why punish them for it?

I could be wrong I don't pay attention to the propaganda machine

I get what you're trying to say, but do we want to penalise children just to prove a political point, despite who may or may not be to blame?

Fine. Lets feed the kids. And then remove any subsidies their parents receive. Why should Joe average pay to feed their kids twice?

I think you may be penny wise and pound foolish with that view.

I don't know what you think that means.

But: More than half of NZ families receive more in subsidies than they pay in tax. That's fucking ridiculous, and it's time the hand-outs for middle NZ stopped. And let's face it, if you taxed them less they wouldn't need subsidies, would they?

[Ocean1]

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

You must be fucking desperate to blame someone other than the parents for hungry NZ kids to trundle out the same tired old blame JK shit.

It takes a special effort to be poor in NZ, but even the poor usually have their kids dinner right on top of the list. There's just one reason any kid turns up to school hungry in NZ: their parents are scum.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fine. Lets feed the kids. And then remove any subsidies their parents receive. Why should Joe average pay to feed their kids twice?

Got no real problem with that, but we should extend that removing of subsidies to the "higher class" too, they cost Joe average alot more

[bogan]

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

Doesn't matter what age, if you get a benefit to include feeding your kids, and don't bother doing so (for ciggies or any other reason) then you are the fucking underclass; end of story.

We shouldn't need to go all nanny state and supervise or supplement such basics of life because some dumb fucks are too self centered to care for their offspring. This makes a bloody good case for why beneficiaries should lose the right to vote.

[Ocean1]

Got no real problem with that, but we should extend that removing of subsidies to the "higher class" too, they cost Joe average alot more

A common sentiment.

By "higher class" I assume you mean high income earners? The ones paying the majority of income tax?

How do you conclude they enjoy "subsidies" then?

[mashman]

= current solution.

[Scuba_Steve]

A common sentiment.

By "higher class" I assume you mean high income earners? The ones paying the majority of income tax?

How do you conclude they enjoy "subsidies"?

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright. & Govt

I'd 1st start by scrapping all Govt perks (& tying them to a % pay), that'd save the country hundreds of millions right off the bat

[Ocean1]

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright.

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

[Akzle]

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright. & Govt

I'd 1st start by scrapping all Govt perks (& tying them to a % pay), that'd save the country hundreds of millions right off the bat

align their pay to nations average wage.
Motivational.

[Brian d marge]

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

I would like to know that as well
usually if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck . . .then theres something fishy

[Akzle]

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

most of them.
jews, bankers, banks, mnc, 'charities', anyone whose 'pay' comes from tax. (cops and pollies)

[bogan]

align their pay to nations average wage.
Motivational.

Wouldn't be motivational at all, as anyon in it for the money would just get a different job, and you'd be left with those just in it for the power, or those who wish to make a difference.

Pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys. I know the current crop might not look much better at times, but the nature of their job is to be criticised for anything, and never praised; it'd be a hell of a lot worse if monkeys were doing it.

[Brian d marge]

Doesn't matter what age, if you get a benefit to include feeding your kids, and don't bother doing so (for ciggies or any other reason) then you are the fucking underclass; end of story.

We shouldn't need to go all nanny state and supervise or supplement such basics of life because some dumb fucks are too self centered to care for their offspring. This makes a bloody good case for why beneficiaries should lose the right to vote.

yes but you will find that MOST care for their kids and are tying their best
sometimes such as money to the church . . cultures can collide
but at rhe end of the day
house prices
food
electricity
have exceeded the income of too many people

[Scuba_Steve]

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

there's ALOT of tax being avoided, maybee you've chosen to ignore the IRD's "tax evasion" stats each year & that's before you get into legalised tax evasion (but hey that's alright cause it's legal right)
This is from a study done by Victoria University

Benefit fraud cost New Zealand $22 million in 2010, or around $5 for each New Zealander. While it is difficult to get accurate figures for tax evasion, the Tax Justice Network estimates New Zealand missed out on more than $7.4 billion of tax revenue in 2011, or around $1,500 per New Zealander.