Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[mashman]

It wasn’t made, how can it have a purpose?

Evolution isn't a purpose?

Production. Meaning advances in living standards and potential for human societies. Specifically; regulation such that entrepreneurial, productive and hard work are rewarded.

Shame a financial system is used.

The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.

Insurance = Production?

Good on you. More rational people note that they’re not responsible for the creation of any such thing, and can’t see any reason to pay anyone for doing fuck all, especially where that requires thems to work harder for nothing in order to do so.

Averages has fuck all to do with dole bludgers. Nor does the economy, any financial system or god himself actually require dole bludgers. They are the result of their own inability to produce anything anyone else wants, simple as that.

Rational ... ignorant perhaps.

Sure they do. Someone has to be unemployed.

[Scuba_Steve]

Why do you feel they are unqualified?

Their salaries are not excessive either. 140k per year or something isn't it?

156k, as it is now, for a backbencher (the lowest paid MP's) is well excessive, especially given they're only there to be counted as a number.

They're unqualified cause they put their own interests ahead of the country & you can't tell me an MP can jump from position to position & is fully qualified in each

[bogan]

156k, as it is now, for a backbencher (the lowest paid MP's) is well excessive, especially given they're only there to be counted as a number.

They're unqualified cause they put their own interests ahead of the country & you can't tell me an MP can jump from position to position & is fully qualified in each

It's up there, but even if you say it's 50k too excessive, you're looking at a saving of what, 6mil? which will make fuck all difference anywhere else in the economy. How much was food for kids going to cost again?

In your opinion they do that, but not in the opinion of themselves and others. Why not? it's just management shit, they all have underlings who are clued up on the specifics of each part.

[Ocean1]

Evolution isn't a purpose?



Shame a financial system is used.



Insurance = Production?



Rational ... ignorant perhaps.

Sure they do. Someone has to be unemployed.

No.

No it's not. It's simply the most effective tool available.

Insurance = Product.

Rational. You're not in any position to judge, you're a rationalising person, not a rational one.

Wrong. Everyone has a value buyers are prepared to pay for their efforts, those who produce fuck all anyone else wants to buy and are unprincipled enough choose to do absolutely fuck all and have others pay for it anyway.

[FJRider]

The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.

Self reliance is ok .... only if their actions don't/won't affect others (or ... others actions affect THEM). The "Actions" of those "Self Reliant" ... often ARE ... affected by others outside their control.

Self reliance is not a one way street.

Those Self Reliant ... need to earn more than they NEED to spend. Otherwise THEY are the one's ... that can't be bothered.



INSURANCE is only wanted ... when it is needed. Until then ... nobody likes buying it.

[Ocean1]

In your opinion they do that, but not in the opinion of themselves and others. Why not? it's just management shit, they all have underlings who are clued up on the specifics of each part.

Actually, politicians as an occupation are amongst the most qualified professionals.

[Ocean1]

Self reliance is ok .... only if their actions don't/won't affect others (or ... others actions affect THEM). The "Actions" of those "Self Reliant" ... often ARE ... affected by others outside their control.

Self reliance is not a one way street.

Those Self Reliant ... need to earn more than they NEED to spend. Otherwise THEY are the one's ... that can't be bothered.



INSURANCE is only wanted ... when it is needed. Until then ... nobody likes buying it.

Sounds like bullshit to me. If someone is self reliant then by definition they require no help from anyone else.

And what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need, (a term which has as many meanings as people asked).

[FJRider]

Sounds like bullshit to me. If someone is self reliant then by definition they require no help from anyone else.

And what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need, (a term which has as many meanings as people asked).

They won't need insurance then.


BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.

[Ocean1]

They won't need insurance then.

what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need.

BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.

In an absolute sense, no. If they make use of public infrastructure and services then they'd be paying their fair share of tax.

Do you really want to break out the dictionary?

I take it to mean "received in fair trade for services given".

[Akzle]

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, and the littlest."

...speaks volumes about our nation's new "direction"

little Kids!...disabled KIWI KIDS!!!...and our Govn't is taking a running fucking kick at them


Just shameful!...there is no other word for it...its shameful!

rbjiafp

It wasn’t made, how can it have a purpose?

whoo dun maaede da treez mon?

regulation such that entrepreneurial, productive and hard work are rewarded.

ahyes. we must apply the ocean's own patented measuring stick to... everything.

q: without "monies" (/usurious jewgold) - is not entrepreneurial, productive, and hard work rewarded?

The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.

unfortunately for you, old white man, there's plenty of blacks that wont see it that way, and are happy to take your shit off you. because you have more than them, but don't want to share your toys, and "that's not fair".

true story.

Nor does the economy, any financial system or god himself actually require dole bludgers.

well, actually love, your economoney does require dole bludgers. look it up some time.

[FJRider]

Do you really want to break out the dictionary?

I take it to mean "received in fair trade for services given".

Earning usually is taken as ... "Working for wages/salary" .... (thus the need to pay tax)



I did ...


BUY anything from a commercial outlet ... then you should be paying tax. (in one form or another)

In a perfect world ... Self Reliant wont need/want insurance. The reliance on their own efforts to avoid the need for such.

Buying insurance infers a need to rely on others for a degree of security. Thus ... NOT SELF RELIANT.

[Ocean1]

whoo dun maaede da treez mon?


ahyes. we must apply the ocean's own patented measuring stick to... everything.

q: without "monies" (/usurious jewgold) - is not entrepreneurial, productive, and hard work rewarded?



unfortunately for you, old white man, there's plenty of blacks that wont see it that way, and are happy to take your shit off you. because you have more than them, but don't want to share your toys, and "that's not fair".

true story.


well, actually love, your economoney does require dole bludgers. look it up some time.

Nobody made them.

You can apply whatever the fuck you like. I'm pickin' it'll involve minimal effort on your part.

Sometimes. But at best a fuckload less effectively.

And I don't give a fuck who don't see it that way, delusional cunts wouldn't survive a week past an overdue dole cheque. Nor does their idea of what's fair stack up against those who actually earned their toys, because they're likely to be better armed.

I maintain that anyone not actually producing anything anyone else wants is completely and utterly surplus to the requirement of any economy. Now you look it up and get back to me eh?

[Akzle]

Actually, politicians as an occupation are amongst the most qualified professionals.

qualified to do what??

if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant,

you keep banging out this phrase. while i accept the logic, i don't accept the premise. jewgold is bullshit.

They won't need insurance then.


BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.

rbjiafp

[mashman]

No.

No it's not. It's simply the most effective tool available.

Insurance = Product.

Rational. You're not in any position to judge, you're a rationalising person, not a rational one.

Wrong. Everyone has a value buyers are prepared to pay for their efforts, those who produce fuck all anyone else wants to buy and are unprincipled enough choose to do absolutely fuck all and have others pay for it anyway.

Please yourself.

No it's not. It's stifling our evolution.

Aha, lucky there's a financial system to spur the need for insurance... coz without a financial system there would be no need for the product.

I'm in the perfect position thanks.

Yup, that's how them thar problems are created.

[Ocean1]

Earning usually is taken as ... "Working for wages/salary" .... (thus the need to pay tax)



I did ...


BUY anything from a commercial outlet ... then you should be paying tax. (in one form or another)

In a perfect world ... Self Reliant wont need/want insurance. The reliance on their own efforts to avoid the need for such.

Buying insurance infers a need to rely on others for a degree of security. Thus ... NOT SELF RELIANT.

Nope, paying tax is not a requirement of earning something, and in fact you can even earn money without incurring tax obligations.

Correct. How is that relevant to self reliance?

And perfect world or not a self reliant person could consider insurance a valid part of that ethos. Either he insures himself and maybe he uses it's provisions or not, or he doesn't and manages without, either way is still self reliance.

How does buying insurance infer reliance on someone else? Quite the opposite I'd have thought.