Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[Stylo]

I voted for Key as another term with the despotic Clark seemed impossible to digest.

I used to vote Labour but, with A Little at the helm now it seems that another vote for Key is likely.

Keeping it simple stupid, KISS

[husaberg]

We're not short of work opportunities. You want to compare NZ with the US? Arsehole minimum wage legislation. Then the only unemployed you'd have would be the ones that genuinely can't generate any value whatsoever.

Next!

Someone's changing the subject again.

[Ocean1]

Someone's changing the subject again.

Govt performance?

Where, exactly am I failing to discuss the subject?

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

[Ocean1]

Keeping it simple stupid, KISS

Aye. And let's face it, how much of our lives should we expect any govt to "manage"?

Especially if you don't like the way they're doing the bits they do control...

[husaberg]

Govt performance?

Where, exactly am I failing to discuss the subject?

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

You repeated refuse to admit the figures don't back your assertions
So you keep throwing in other stuff rather than what is as plain as the nose on your face.
Since the Nats came into power our debt levels have increased, entire core industries have collapsed, Core assets have been sold off, Personal debt levels has also increased.
We spend a fortune propping up a few Multinationals and bailing out financial institutions that mismanaged there own performance.
Unemployment is ever increasing it is not quite a rosy picture.
Feel free to point out how we are so much better off we are than Greece if that makes you feel better. But it doesn't change what the situation is.

[Ocean1]

You repeated refuse to admit the figures don't back your assertions
So you keep throwing in other stuff rather than what is as plain as the nose on your face.
Since the Nats came into power our debt levels have increased, entire core industries have collapsed, Core assets have been sold off, Personal debt levels has also increased. Unemployment is ever increasing it is not quite a rosy picture.
Feel free to point out how we are so much better off we are than Greece if that makes you feel better. But it doesn't change what the situation is.

You're figures may not. But as I said, compare NZ apples with those of any other country and mostly we've done better.

You can insist that's not good enough, but it's a fairly negative response given the numbers that actually matter. Those ones you seem to be ignoring.

My original point was that outside of NZ we've been seen to have performed well, and yet here all we ever hear about is the carefully crafted bad news. Sick of the negativity.

[mashman]

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

No. Quite simply put if you need to extrapolate a value instead of counting every instance, and then read the average as "well things must better than some other generation", then you're out of your cotton plantation owning mind. The metric should be a direct count, not a best guess and until such is provided, you have no facts.

[husaberg]

You're figures may not. But as I said, compare NZ apples with those of any other country and mostly we've done better.

You can insist that's not good enough, but it's a fairly negative response given the numbers that actually matter. Those ones you seem to be ignoring.

My original point was that outside of NZ we've been seen to have performed well, and yet here all we ever hear about is the carefully crafted bad news. Sick of the negativity.

I have like I said continue to live in the world were this shit is fertilising the rosy picture you are attempting to paint.
I have showed you we have not performed well.
You would have to wonder though if everything is as rose scented as you think why is there so much negativity.
Maybe you need to put down the Merlot and take off the rose tinted glasses as well.

[Ocean1]

I have like I said continue to live in the world were this shit is fertilising the rosy picture you are attempting to paint.
I have showed you we have not performed well.

No, you've said unemployment's up. But you don't want to compare that to anywhere else.

You don't like the fact that asset's have been sold, AND you don't like increased debt. During a global depression. Hardly a balanced bitch, is it?

Again, the numbers that count:

food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

[husaberg]

No, you've said unemployment's up. But you don't want to compare that to anywhere else.

You don't like the fact that asset's have been sold, AND you don't like increased debt. During a global depression. Hardly a balanced bitch, is it?

Again, the numbers that count:

Maybe you might quote a whole quote next time aye
The majority on NZ don't like assets being sold
The majority of the world (other than you) View unemployment and debt levels as reliable indicators to performance.

[Brian d marge]

Unemployment (June 2015)
EU 9.6%
Eurozone 11.1%
Greece 25.6% (April)
Spain 22.5%
Italy 12.7%
France 10.2%
Germany 4.7%

Double it and add ten to get the real unemployment rate

All we need now is a big depression and a war and all will be sweet again

Already have the hyperinflation just look at those asset bubbles . .
Now if we could just reunify the sudatenland

Or Tokaroa

National unity is national prosperity

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[Ocean1]

Maybe you might quote a whole quote next time aye
The majority on NZ don't like assets being sold
The majority of the world (other than you) View unemployment and debt levels as reliable indicators to performance.

The majority world see our debt having increased an imperial shitload less that theirs, and you claim they've failed to perform in that regard. Isn't that just a wee bit disingenuous?

And how many of those supposed above govt performance indicators are mutually exclusive? For example, if I was king there'd be fuck all govt debt, but there'd be a shitload of complaints from the unproductive sector about that. And I don't like seeing assets sold either, I'd like less of that if I had my way, but there's no way that wouldn't negatively impact one or more of your other "performance indicators". I've already told you how I'd slash unemployment, reckon that'd be considered a high performance move?

I think most give the govt far too much credit, positive and negative, for what they see as "someone else's problem".

Me, I'll stick to the real issues: We're fucking well off, and rapidly becoming better off. Only an idiot would risk fucking that up by wholesale changes to govt policy.

[husaberg]

The majority world see our debt having increased an imperial shitload less that theirs, and you claim they've failed to perform in that regard. Isn't that just a wee bit disingenuous?

And how many of those supposed above govt performance indicators are mutually exclusive? For example, if I was king there'd be fuck all govt debt, but there'd be a shitload of complaints from the unproductive sector about that. And I don't like seeing assets sold either, I'd like less of that if I had my way, but there's no way that wouldn't negatively impact one or more of your other "performance indicators". I've already told you how I'd slash unemployment, reckon that'd be considered a high performance move?

I think most give the govt far too much credit, positive and negative, for what they see as "someone else's problem".

Me, I'll stick to the real issues: We're fucking well off, and rapidly becoming better off. Only an idiot would risk fucking that up by wholesale changes to govt policy.

Rapidly becoming better off would mean not increasing debt levels and not having ever increasing unemployment what colour is the sky in your world Ocean. Maybe you need to realise that you are a bit damp and wet behind the ears.

[Ocean1]

No. Quite simply put if you need to extrapolate a value instead of counting every instance, and then read the average as "well things must better than some other generation", then you're out of your cotton plantation owning mind. The metric should be a direct count, not a best guess and until such is provided, you have no facts.

No, in fact I haven't extrapolated anything. And anyone that can reliably count with their shoes on is already perfectly aware that the facts agree that the current generation is better off that any in recorded history.

Well, maybe not in the article of dysentery.

And lice.

[Ocean1]

Rapidly becoming better off would mean not increasing debt levels and not having ever increasing unemployment what colour is the sky in your world Ocean. Maybe you need to realise that you are a bit damp and wet behind the ears.

food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

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