Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[Ocean1]

Come again? Tech is our 3rd biggest industry export.
Things have changed since 1984. Rakon, Xero, F&P Healthcare just to name 3. But there are 1000's more like em.
http://www.nztech.org.nz/Category?Ac...Category_id=40

And that's just the ones identified as having hijacked the words "Information" and "Technology".

There's a metric shitload of innovative technology companies doing very well in spite of missing out on most of the "IT" funding bandwagon.

[Banditbandit]

Resigned to defeat already eh

No -

It's nothing that can't be taken back mind.

Sovereignty is usually taken at the point of a gun ... always a possiblity

[Brian d marge]

They all stood up to be counted.

National won. By a veritable shitload.

Which don't mean everyone's happy with all of their work. Just that they're less happy with any of the alternatives. Yours included.

scotland

the case for the defense rests


stephen

[mashman]

No -

Sovereignty is usually taken at the point of a gun ... always a possiblity

For a moment there you sounded like a whipped white muthafucka

Aye... can't get yer own way, make someone your enemy and bring out the guns. How very forward thinking lol.

[Banditbandit]

Aye... can't get yer own way, make someone your enemy and bring out the guns. How very forward thinking lol.

So you'd just sit back and take it if DonKey sells our sovereignty?

Violence is not always the answer - but sometimes it's the best answer.

[avgas]

And that's just the ones identified as having hijacked the words "Information" and "Technology".

There's a metric shitload of innovative technology companies doing very well in spite of missing out on most of the "IT" funding bandwagon.

Yep. People fail to understand that NZ is on the forefront of a few pretty cool tech stuff. Mind due they did the same with Canada/Russia. People fail to recognize that Canada and Russia are the biggest domestic plane makers outside of Boeing and Airbus.

I've sat in a NZ made submarine. I've seen a NZ radio telescope. Both of those things didn't exist in NZ 10 years ago.
Never mind Yachts, Planes, Bikes, Super Yachts, Rockets, Cars, Engines.....all of which are being made in NZ right now.
And that's just the physical things. If you think about software being Pandora's box.......

[avgas]

scotland

the case for the defense rests


stephen

The banking state or the country?

[oldrider]

So you'd just sit back and take it if DonKey sells our sovereignty?

Violence is not always the answer - but sometimes it's the best answer.

Edit: but sometimes it's the "only" answer.

Can we afford to have America as our friend? ... Recent history shows it never seems to end well for anyone other than certain sectors of America!

[Banditbandit]

Edit: but sometimes it's the "only" answer.

Can we afford to have America as our friend? ... Recent history shows it never seems to end well for anyone other than certain sectors of America!

Recent history also shows that 'Merika's enemies do extremely well - Germany, Japan ... China ...

[Winston001]

Come again? Tech is our 3rd biggest industry export.
Things have changed since 1984. Rakon, Xero, F&P Healthcare just to name 3. But there are 1000's more like em.
http://www.nztech.org.nz/Category?Ac...Category_id=40

That's interesting and good to know. Tech is the way to go but every other nation is trying to do the same so it's not easy.

Here is a diagram I came across but tech and tourism are in addition to these figures. Still, US$38 billion bears out my point that as a nation we are still primary producers and its hard to see a way out of that.

[Brian d marge]

The banking state or the country?

its recent bid for independence . . .possibly the banking state and its subdefuge

[mashman]

So you'd just sit back and take it if DonKey sells our sovereignty?

Violence is not always the answer - but sometimes it's the best answer.

That depends. If we're talking peaceful coup (i.e. to implement something other than a financial system... anything else is just a personnel swap as the system still remains and is the problem), then no, I'll be up front, pitch fork in one hand, and you in the other . If we're talking voting for a personnel change only, then yes, I will sit and take it and will fight back in my own way by keeping my own sovereignty as intact as possible.

It certainly shows intent of purpose and whilst I'm not averse to resorting to violence, it'd kinda defeat the purpose imho.

[Banditbandit]

We are talking all forms of violence to change the system ...

Political assassination (I wonder how long before the GCSB or the SIS come along again .. speaking of which that shithead hasn't been here for a while)

General uprising ... armed of course - Godzone has oen of the heaviest armed civilian population in the world,

BUT the use of violence can only be used at the intersection of theory and practice - praxis - and with a full understanding of the historic moment and the consequences.

In Godzone at this moment, there is nothing to suggest that the use of violence would achieve the desired end ... see the Baader-Meinhoff and their failed attempts - it was the wrong historic moment in German for violence of that kind.

However, if the TPPA is signed off, a couple of years down the track and Godzone has demonstrably lost its sovereignty and the historic moment where violence would achieve the desired end might be closer than people think.

[Brian d marge]

hey i have a samik sage just need to increase the ammo side

take photos of the fkrs then make their live a living hell
and their families as well

all actions have consequenses as do mine

next time plod takes cash for the donut fund . . .take a selfie with offender

his time will come

wheres me knitting

[oldrider]

Recent history also shows that 'Merika's enemies do extremely well - Germany, Japan ... China ...

Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Russia and the beat goes on ... should we be next then? Their only symbiotic friend is Israel!