Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[Scuba_Steve]

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.

"untainted" you're just drinking from the blue coolaid while others drink from the red, while it might produce a difference perspective it's all just coolaid underneath... "untainted"

[Ocean1]

New Zealand Unemployment Rate
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

And I wonder to what extent the actual, (as opposed to locally spun) current Aussie and NZ unemployment rates are affected by all the Kiwis abandoning the Aussie commodity bust cycle and returning home...

[Ocean1]

"untainted" you're just drinking from the blue coolaid while others drink from the red, while it might produce a difference perspective it's all just coolaid underneath... "untainted"

No, again, what I'm looking at is the fact that there's never been a generation that's been better off, and yet all we hear is whining about how the govt is failing it. It's pathetic. Like a bunch of kids whining because there frills on their new shoes aren't quite the colour they want.

[husaberg]

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.

Yet.
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

So we have about 50000 more people unemployed than when Key came to power. The highest rate of unemployment since the Bolger Shipley era.

Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

And I wonder to what extent the actual, (as opposed to locally spun) current Aussie and NZ unemployment rates are affected by all the Kiwis abandoning the Aussie commodity bust cycle and returning home...

No I just google the respective unemployment rates, no selective use of data all all.

I just countered your assertion about how great NZ is doing with some reality.

Simply I just posted some facts of life. (Your words and theme)

Now you are just resorting to making excuses for facts and figures that you do not like.
Fact is, since your beloved Nats came in Unemployment has risen.

Consider this double talk from Bill English.

John Key’s legacy is leaving the highest jobless rate since Jenny Shipley’s National government in the late 1990s.

Mr English has partially blamed the struggles Britain, US and Europe continue to face.

“That’s having a bit more of an impact on us than we expected and shows it’s reasonably tough for people in the job market,” he says.

He accepts the economy is a lot softer now than it has been in recent months, but says the unexpected jump in jobless figures is at odds with other figures he has seen, such as a fall in unemployment benefit figures.

Mr English says Auckland is driving the unemployment rate, but he is at a loss to explain why the benefit numbers there have been falling.

[puddytat]

Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

...

Its got nothing to do with your right wing spin or the left wing spin either.
I'd say its got way more to do with that sub conscious feeling of disquiet that most people have when they look at their country turning to custard & being over run by Asylum seekers & refugees.
Where would you want to live?

[Brian d marge]

New Zealand Unemployment Rate
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

Doubling those figures would give you a truer picture. There is A LOT of creative accountancy involved in producing those numbers , for example ...if you have a part time job , or ar sick or even have given up looking for work , you are not counted .

When it comes to dodgy dealing done dirt cheap , your government excels

[husaberg]

Doubling those figures would give you a truer picture. There is A LOT of creative accountancy involved in producing those numbers , for example ...if you have a part time job , or ar sick or even have given up looking for work , you are not counted .

When it comes to dodgy dealing done dirt cheap , your government excels

Maybe but I just assume they all use the same Meryl Lynch style creative accounting.

[Brian d marge]

Its got nothing to do with your right wing spin or the left wing spin either.
I'd say its got way more to do with that sub conscious feeling of disquiet that most people have when they look at their country turning to custard & being over run by Asylum seekers & refugees.
Where would you want to live?

Dem just being used as a scapegoat , Asylum seekers & refugees that is

its going to custard because of non-conservative shenanigans that move asset wealth away from those who need it , to those whom least need it

and our glorious leader( s) get made an offer they cannot refuse , so spend their time in the big boys seat , walking a fine line , doing what right for the country and at the same time doing their master bidding.

As soon as NZ goes "Iceland" on the buggers , Nationalises core assets ( you can still run it like an SOE), and starts closing tax loop holes ( and taxing the buggers)

Finally , Tax " hot money " or money entering and leaving the country ( unless its for long term sustainable investment in core utilities )

fk em

Stephen

[blue rider]

facts and other assorted fuckwittery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...wages-stay-low

Jobs market weak

June quarter

Unemployment rate: 5.9 per cent (5.8 per cent March quarter)

Jobs growth: 0.3 per cent (0.6 per cent March quarter)

Labour cost index: 0.5 per cent and 1.6 per cent for June year

7000 more people employed in the quarter and 69,000 more than a year ago.

Auckland accounted for 44 per cent of the lift in jobs in the past year

Total hours worked: down 0.6 per cent (up 2 per cent in March quarter)

Source: Statistics NZ

Higher unemployment, low wage growth and another slump in dairy auction prices adds more weight to expectations that the Reserve Bank will drop interest rates again in September, with more cuts to come, economists say.

Unemployment was up slightly to 5.9 per cent in the June quarter, though job numbers continued to rise in the three months, according to Statistics NZ.

The unemployment rate in the March quarter was 5.8 per cent.

At the same time, there were 7000 more people employed over the June quarter, up 0.3 per cent, a much slower rate of jobs growth than in the March quarter.

Since the end of last year, the number of new jobs has not been rising fast enough to keep up with a rapidly growing workforce , so unemployment has risen.

In the past year, manufacturing saw the strongest jobs growth, taking over from the former key jobs engine of construction, as the pace of the Canterbury rebuild levelled off. Auckland is the main centre for new jobs, with jobs growth in Canterbury slowing.

And with a slowing economy, unemployment is expected to get worse in coming months, economists said.

Westpac economists said the job figures reinforced its expectations that the Reserve Bank would need to cut official interest rates from 3 per cent to 2 per cent, after two cuts already this year.

The economy had been losing steam as construction work levelled off and dairy auction prices fell, with both business and consumer confidence falling.

"We expect the economy is going to need a significant shot in the arm to boost activity and inflation", Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod said.

The latest job market figures gave a concrete sign the economy was slowing down as unemployment rose, jobs growth cooled, and hours worked fell.

With the economy looking worse and any further improvement in the unemployment rate questionable, wage inflation was unlikely to pick up, Infometrics said. The state of the job market was "conducive" to further cuts in official interest rates, Infometrics said.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...r-revised.aspx

Info from above link, from the pinko commie department of Statistic NZ, the ones with the liberal bend...cause numbers - year 2008 start of the reign of dear Leader, his most accomplished hairpuller, sheep/dairy/beeffarmer, and puppy hugger

December 2008 quarter Quarterly change Annual change
Unemployment rate 4.6% +0.4 +1.2
Unemployed 105,000 +10.8% +36.8%
Employed 2,191,000 +0.9% +0.9%
Not in the labour force 1,015,000 -1.8% -1.0%
Labour force participation rate 69.3% +0.6 +0.6

http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stat...PJun15qtr.aspx
Info from above link, from the pinko commie department of Statistic NZ, the ones with the liberal bend...cause numbers - year 2015, seventh year of the most immaculate rock staries, and most excellent reign of dear Leader, his most accomplished hairpuller, sheep/dairy/beef farmer, and puppy hugger
Employment at a glance
Jun 2015 quarter Quarterly change Annual change
(000) Percent
Working-age population 3,618 +0.7 +2.2
Employed 2,360 +0.3 +3.0
Unemployed 148(000) +1.9 +7.5
Filled jobs 1,816 -0.9 +1.9
Percent Percentage points
Employment rate 65.2 -0.3 +0.4
Unemployment rate 5.9 +0.1 +0.2
Labour force participation rate 69.3 -0.2 +0.6

How do the Pinko Commie Hairy unwashed Hippies define employed vs unemployed

http://www.stats.govt.nz/methods/cla...efinition.aspx

Hours worked in employment is the total number of hours worked in employment per week by all people meeting the definition of employment given in the standard for labour force status, that is, all people aged 15 and over who during the survey reference period:

worked for one hour or more for pay, profit or payment in kind in a job, business, farm or professional practice

worked without pay for one hour or more in work which contributed directly to the operation of a farm, business or professional practice operated by a relative

had a job or business they were temporarily absent from.
Employed and labour force status are supporting concepts for hours worked in employment and are defined in Glossary and references.

Now one might add, That this was always the case, one works for one hour paid or unpaid and is counted as employed....Why no, not so fast.

Again the Pinko Commie unwashed Hippies
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...mployment.aspx

Introducing new measures of underemployment
This page introduces a new underemployment measure to be added to the suite of labour market statistics available from the Household Labour Force Survey: March 2013 quarter onwards.

It looks at the concept of underemployment and explains some of the characteristics of underemployment and why this measure is useful.

[blue rider]

[Ocean1]

Maybe but I just assume they all use the same Meryl Lynch style creative accounting.

You'd be wrong. Employment data in particular is collected, collated and reported differently from country to country.

Less hysterical data can often be found here: http://ourworldindata.org/ Sources are often still somewhat left leaning but on the whole it's leaning left evenly across national comparisons.

And I'm not convinced unemployment is any sort of measure of a nation's prosperity.

I mean, if the lazy cunts would make some sort of effort the whole country would be better off by at least the cost of their tax funded free lunch.

[husaberg]

You'd be wrong. Employment data in particular is collected, collated and reported differently from country to country.

Less hysterical data can often be found here: http://ourworldindata.org/ Sources are often still somewhat left leaning but on the whole it's leaning left evenly across national comparisons.

And I'm not convinced unemployment is any sort of measure of a nation's prosperity.

I mean, if the lazy cunts would make some sort of effort the whole country would be better off by at least the cost of their tax funded free lunch.

Doesn't suit your theory so dismiss at will .......................
I think you are somewhat confused by my sarcasm.
Not need to go looking for figures that suit any agenda.
I googled the official unemployment figures.
As for the lazy why is it so many jobs are being lost at large companies are the companies lazy or is it just the lazy workers fault.

[Ocean1]

Doesn't suit your theory so dismiss at will .......................
I think you are somewhat confused by my sarcasm.
Not need to go looking for figures that suit any agenda.
I googled the official unemployment figures.
As for the lazy why is it so many jobs are being lost at large companies are the companies lazy or is it just the lazy workers fault.

I think you missed my point. Why is unemployment relevant to national prosperity or the desirability of lifestyle we have? It's a largely fabricated phenomena anyway.

Gwarne, flick through the important shit in that link, food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

Seriously?

And what, exactly do you expect the govt to do about it? Hold BOTH your hands?

[husaberg]

I think you missed my point. Why is unemployment relevant to national prosperity or the desirability of lifestyle we have? It's a largely fabricated phenomena anyway.

Gwarne, flick through the important shit in that link, food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them

Why the fuck all the whining?

Seriously?

Why is it relevant simple the more propherous the population the more work opportunities that exist.
You yourself offered up how much better we were doing on than other countries (your own volition) I just corrected you with facts.
I gave you facts Ocean. You are now trying to weasel out of the real fact it isn't so rosy a picture that you were trying to paint it out to be.

[Ocean1]

Why is it relevant simple the more propherous the population the more work opportunities that exist.
You yourself offered up how much better we were doing on than other countries (your own volition) I just corrected you with facts.
I gave you facts Ocean. You are now trying to weasel out of the real fact it isn't so rosy a picture that you were trying to paint it out to be.

We're not short of work opportunities. You want to compare NZ with the US? Arsehole minimum wage legislation. Then the only unemployed you'd have would be the ones that genuinely can't generate any value whatsoever.

Next!