New Zealand. What a back water shit hole.

[sidecar bob]

Some cunt miles away with a tractor can potentially paralyze New Zealands biggest airport.
What a fucking joke!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11924331

What should we do differently?
You can bet Jacinda barely knew it was there & clearly doesn't have any policies that address upgrading it, so fairly smug of her to attempt to gain political mileage out of it.
Anyone that changes their vote based on this incident is an idiot, and I'm sure plenty will.

[Ocean1]

if you want a shit hole go to china.......this is a city we floated past whilst cruising up the Yangtzee, and no its not rain or fog its air pollution

The quantity of coal on barges on the Yangtze is just amazing. And it's all shit, they don't have any decent stuff.

What should we do differently?
You can bet Jacinda barely knew it was there & clearly doesn't have any policies that address upgrading it, so fairly smug of her to attempt to gain political mileage out of it.
Anyone that changes their vote based on this incident is an idiot, and I'm sure plenty will.

I don't have it any more but I've seen a report on the cost/risk for a second line. Basically it wasn't worth doing until about now, when the risk of failure for the existing line sneaks up due to age and the consumption goes up to nudge the returns on a new one up a bit.

The press is never going to report it as anything but the government's fault, but in fact a new line is about due.

Speaking of fuel infrastructure budgets, they'd be better worrying about the official national fuel storage policy, which has to count stuff actually in transit to meet target.

[caspernz]

I don't have it any more but I've seen a report on the cost/risk for a second line. Basically it wasn't worth doing until about now, when the risk of failure for the existing line sneaks up due to age and the consumption goes up to nudge the returns on a new one up a bit.

The press is never going to report it as anything but the government's fault, but in fact a new line is about due.

Speaking of fuel infrastructure budgets, they'd be better worrying about the official national fuel storage policy, which has to count stuff actually in transit to meet target.

Ah yes, the last line has the meat in it. If folks knew how tight the system runs, there'd be stock piling going on.

I recall some chat in the late 90's about a new seaboard terminal being built in the vicinity of Port Waikato, seeing as the Marsden pipeline is technically past its design life (if what I was told is right).

Mighty amusing to read the keyboard warriors on Stuff commenting about the MPT-Wiri pipeline, the stats associated with the MPT-Wiri line are staggering. The line from Wiri to AIA is obviously the biggest customer ex Wiri terminal. Hearing how RNZAF was making their storage available for civilian use makes me laugh, barely a million litres of useable product at Whenuapai last I was hauling into there. So that's 5 jumbo jets brimmed, what are we gonna do after 3 days...

There's one good element in this "fuel crisis" in that it shines a spotlight on the vulnerability of the MPT-Wiri line, thus making it more likely we'll get a backup plan put on the list. Bit funny how any politician would be naive enough to attempt making mileage out of this temporary dilemma...

[Swoop]

Hearing how RNZAF was making their storage available for civilian use makes me laugh, barely a million litres of usuable product at Whenuapai last I was hauling into there. So that's 5 jumbo jets brimmed, what are we gonna do after 3 days...

I laughed when they said the HMNZS Endeavour was going to be filled up at Marsden and sail south.
A floating rust-bucket which is well overdue for replacement would solve the problem of a rusty pipe which is overdue for replacement!

[caspernz]

I laughed when they said the HMNZS Endeavour was going to be filled up at Marsden and sail south.
A floating rust-bucket which is well overdue for replacement would solve the problem of a rusty pipe which is overdue for replacement!

Just a tad ironic me thinks...

The oil industry chap on the AM Show made comment about the JetA1 bridger loading facility at MPT being wet tested today. Always found it amusing we never had a JetA1 gantry at MPT, yes I know the size of our market dictates it.

In reality, as long as Joe Public doesn't go out panic buying at the pumps, all should be fine.

[neels]

In reality, as long as Joe Public doesn't go out panic buying at the pumps, all should be fine.

Unfortunately humans are remarkably stupid and self serving, hence at any mention of a possible shortage they will stockpile many times what they actually need, and therefore create a shortage that otherwise probably wouldn't have existed.

Anyway, better fill the car up on the way home, and the wife's as well I guess......

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11925845

Fuck me is this really the 'pipeline' that carries fuel to New Zealands biggest airport?????
I have better irrigation pipes buried in my back yard.

[Ocean1]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11925845

Fuck me is this really the 'pipeline' that carries fuel to New Zealands biggest airport?????
I have better irrigation pipes buried in my back yard.

That's the one.

You can see where they've patched it up with some green tape they had lying around.

[jasonu]

That's the one.

You can see where they've patched it up with some green tape they had lying around.

Surprising they didn't use a piece of #8 fencing wire too...

[Ocean1]

Surprising they didn't use a piece of #8 fencing wire too...

Dude, #8 wire is so 1960, it's #10, if you please.

[eldog]

So far not a mention about where did the fuel go?
Was there was a similar leak somewhere else, in the past?

How many times going past the domestic terminal storage tanks out by the car parks, the smell of fuel in the air seems extreme.

[Ocean1]

So far not a mention about where did the fuel go?
Was there was a similar leak somewhere else, in the past?

How many times going past the domestic terminal storage tanks out by the car parks, the smell of fuel in the air seems extreme.

They did say how much they lost at one stage, but I can't remember. Wouldn't have been more than a few tons, as soon as the pressure drops the pump shuts down.

Those tanks are fitted with pvr valves, they let air in when the tanks cool so they don't collapse and let gas out when they warm up so they don't over-pressure. What you're probably smelling is that gas. Any leaks at a terminal are contained by a bund wall.

Edit: Was a tank in Wellington a few years ago where the pvr valve rusted solid. There was a delivery to the tank, but of course the incoming liquid was displacing gas which had nowhere to go, so the pressure in the tank eventually got quite high. The conical top of the tank split the welds and took a wee flight off over Seaview. Luckily it was the middle of the night, and nobody was around. Since then tanks have several valves.

[husaberg]

They did say how much they lost at one stage, but I can't remember. Wouldn't have been more than a few tons, as soon as the pressure drops the pump shuts down.

Those tanks are fitted with pvr valves, they let air in when the tanks cool so they don't collapse and let gas out when they warm up so they don't over-pressure. What you're probably smelling is that gas. Any leaks at a terminal are contained by a bund wall.

Edit: Was a tank in Wellington a few years ago where the pvr valve rusted solid. There was a delivery to the tank, but of course the incoming liquid was displacing gas which had nowhere to go, so the pressure in the tank eventually got quite high. The conical top of the tank split the welds and took a wee flight off over Seaview. Luckily it was the middle of the night, and nobody was around. Since then tanks have several valves.

Yeah Right....A few tons nice one.............

Between 60,000 and 80,000 litres was spilled and had run into a culvert where it had been dammed and recovered. Contaminated soil had been taken to refinery for treatment.
The environmental damage would be "absolutely nil by the time we are done", Mr Post said.

[Ocean1]

Yeah Right....A few tons nice one.............

Pretty much, yeah. Compared to what goes down that line every day it's sweet fuck all.

Which is admittedly a tad more than the "absolutely nill" left after the clean up.

[awayatc]

Between 60 and 80 cubes as reported is a lot more then nothing.

Plus real numbers very likely to be much larger....
Everything gets always seriously under reported.

In the offshore if we were to spill a single cup , we would be in unimaginable deep shit.

With 9000 cubes going through that line daily, it is un believable that nobody installed a wee bit of the readily available gadgetry.
You know....so you can see, while pumping that you get the same amount at the other end....

Amateurs