New Zealand. What a back water shit hole.

[jasonu]

So let's not try to pretend it's the general public's fault that criminals are criminals, eh?

Unless of course the crim is a maori in which case it is the white mother fuckers system that dun did it...

[Drew]

Didn't mean to imply it was the fault of anyone but the criminal.

[Banditbandit]

Well hang on a second there.

Ocean raises a good point that many of the Criminals have had an exceptionally disproportionate amount spent on them, made even more horrendous by the fact they both contribute nothing and cost others.

On the flip side though - there have been many well meaning, but poorly thought out programs that have cost the taxpayer lots, with little to no return on investment.

If you tell me - that with some investment, you could guarantee me that 80% of people that went through the Prison system, never went back in - I'd be interested.

Of course - if I do my Ocean impression, if that guarantee is breached, there would also have to be some form of penalty for those that failed to implement it.

OK - so NZ has an incarceration rate second only to the US - and a recidivism rate of about 70% - "70% of prisoners reoffend within two years of being released from prison and 52% return to prison within five years (some of them more than once). For teenage prisoners, the recidivism rate (return to prison) is 71%." (Corrections Department stats, 2009.


Sweden where prisons focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment has reduced it's prison population from 5,722 to 4,500 (2014) - that's a drop of just over 21%. Their recidivism rate has dropped to 40% and they have closed a number of prisons.

""It has to do with whether you decide to use prison as your first option or as a last resort, and what you want your probation system to achieve," he told the Guardian. "Some people have to be incarcerated, but it has to be a goal to get them back out into society in better shape than they were when they came in."

So - they seem to have got it right - maybe we could learn something - but it is pretty clear that our system is not working .


https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/n...y&p=1131117314

[Ocean1]

Of course - if I do my Ocean impression, if that guarantee is breached, there would also have to be some form of penalty for those that failed to implement it.

God, apparently is in charge of punishment, I'm not interested.

I'm interested in simply segregating them from those who will otherwise pay the cost of their repeated antisocial behavior. Again.

In exactly the same vein I also don't see why they should expect those same people from whom they're being segregated to cover all of the cost of that segregation, that simply extends the price of their poor behavior even further.

[F5 Dave]

God, apparently is in charge of punishment, I'm not interested.
. . . .

Don't be like that, it's quite simple, I'll fill you in.

So God, he's a bit like Santa if you think about it. Except without the presents. He created the earth and the heavens as well as the world's biggest bbq to torture, well most of the world's population. For eternity no less.
He appointed satan as head chef.
But I imagine like most bbqs the men all stand around offering their opinions on char or flame grilling the dammed.

So have you been naughty or nice?

[Laava]

Don't be like that, it's quite simple, I'll fill you in.

So God, he's a bit like Santa if you think about it. Except without the presents. He created the earth and the heavens as well as the world's biggest bbq to torture, well most of the world's population. For eternity no less.
He appointed satan as head chef.
But I imagine like most bbqs the men all stand around offering their opinions on char or flame grilling the dammed.

So have you been naughty or nice?

Will there be beer?

[F5 Dave]

Tui I guess. Maybe Reineck. Worth going to church to avoid.

[Voltaire]

Tui I guess. Maybe Reineck. Worth going to church to avoid.

What no Leopard Lager?

[sidecar bob]

Only going off Christians I have met, I'd be really happy not to be stuck with such a bunch of hypocrites with no moral compass for all eternity.

[Laava]

Only going off Christians I have met, I'd be really happy not to be stuck with such a bunch of hypocrites with no moral compass for all eternity.

Yeah but which theoretical post life hangout do you think they will be hanging out in?

[F5 Dave]

Well they'll be dead and that somewhat curtails the options to nil.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah but which theoretical post life hangout do you think they will be hanging out in?

I hope it's not the one I'm in ..

[husaberg]

Well they'll be dead and that somewhat curtails the options to nil.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians go to heaven to rule with Christ in the kingdom of God.
Yet there are 8.23 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide

It seems like the bus ride is already over subscribed.

[Drew]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians go to heaven to rule with Christ in the kingdom of God.
Yet there are 8.23 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide

It seems like the bus ride is already over subscribed.

They also believe that children younger than 8 get in automatically. So that 144,000 is well fucking reduced already

[F5 Dave]

And there's over 7 billion on the planet currently, not counting countless generations before.

Turn out God hates most everyone that ever lived.

Heaven; what a backwater shithole.