Global warming?

[caspernz]

I believe you guys need to worry less and ride more.

This is my approach to a lot of life's situations...I prefer to wear out tyres instead of keyboards

[Jantar]

warming in parts of northern Alaska was up to 3°C from the early 1980s to the mid-2000s. It also concludes that about two-thirds of the last century’s global temperature increase has occurred since 1980.
But Barrow’s long-term temperature rise has not been uniform, the Fairbanks study says. Its analysis of weather records between 1921 and 2012 shows a much more modest average annual rise, of 1.51°C. In 2014, the city experienced the coolest summer day recorded − 14.5°C.

So what you are quoting shows a rise in temperature, at Fairbanks, of 134.3 C in 89 years? I think that would be noticeable. Either Fairbanks was the coldest place on earth ever recorded, or is now the hottest place on earth ever recorded, or both. Whichever, it is obvious that Fairbanks is uninhabitable.

Maybe it is just that you are quoting/misquoting junk science.

[Jantar]

..... However, feel free to pick 1998 as a start then ignore the entirely false basis of that analysis. ...

Oh boy, what a way to misuse statistics. For showing a pause in a trend the start point is today, not sometime in the past. Then you work backwards to find the point at which the trendline is 0. That point is now 1996, not 1998. However, if you wish to use SS as a source, then feel free to do so. It has no scientific credibility.

[Jantar]

Do a bit of digging and

Among many criticisms are that it uses one and two year periods, instead of four year periods – this reduces the statistical significance of the results

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Sorry, but using shorter periods on one and two years rather than four years, INCREASES the statistical significance, rather than reducing it. n is greater, therfore the degrees of freedom are greater, and r becomes more significant, not less. Oh, that is high schools stats, not even Uni level.

[oldrider]

Maybe time to bump up the old Global Warming bullshit again: http://drsircus.com/world-news/climate-fools

So many men so many opinions but the wheels are falling off this topic lately!

[unstuck]

Maybe time to bump up the old Global Warming bullshit again: http://drsircus.com/world-news/climate-fools

So many men so many opinions but the wheels are falling off this topic lately!

But what will they do? It's like the police, They do not want us all to live on beds of roses because they would have no job.
If everyone had a job the winz people would be out of work, so surely they do not want zero unemployment.
A car that never needs servicing or never breaks down, mechanics everywhere must be terrified of the prospects.

[mashman]

Is climate change only an Earth related problem? Apparently not according to some

[unstuck]

Is climate change only an Earth related problem? Apparently not according to some

Nice link Sheldon.

[James Deuce]

If everyone had a job the winz people would be out of work, so surely they do not want zero unemployment.

That's not quite what happens. Job demand is driven by consumer participation. It keeps the proles competing hard for low paid jobs that are in high demand. Government involvement is the bit where they keep people just hungry enough to want a minimum wage job with no prospects.

[Jantar]

Maybe time to bump up the old Global Warming bullshit again: http://drsircus.com/world-news/climate-fools

So many men so many opinions but the wheels are falling off this topic lately!

One of the most important sentences in that article is "Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science shows how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Goddard shows how, in recent years, NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been “adjusting” its record by replacing real temperatures with data “fabricated” by computer models."

There are 4 main climate databases in use for global data. They are UAH, RSS, Hadcrut, and GISS
UAH and RSS are both satelite records and cover the entire globe except for a small part of each pole. Neither of these sets is ever adjusted retrospectly, other than to make minor corrections when a satelite's orbit decays.
Both use the same radiative data, but interpret it slightly differently. RSS uses it raw according to the part of the atmosphere that is being measured, while UAH weights it slightly. Both show the warming has paused, RSS for over 18 years and UAH for just under 10 years. Both show that what warming has been detected prior to that is not statistically significant, RSS for 26 years and UAH for 16 years.

Hadcrut is the British Climate Research Unit's Temperature series. it has had major changes 4 times over its history. At least the British are honest and have renumbered the data set each time. It is now up to version 4.2. The changes from Version 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 were peer reviewed, and this is the ground based set used by the IPCC. Version 4 has not yet been peer reviewed, but Version 3 is no longer being updated. This set shows no pause in warming, but the rate of warming has not been statistically significant for 19 years.

GISS is the NASA ground based set. It uses the highly modified USHCN data set, and it also uses modelled data to replace actual data. It has lowered historical temperatures and raised recent temperatures. It shows a warming that has continued unabated. So much so that USA must have been freezing during the super hot 1930 hot spells, and is now cooking while eastern USA and most of northern Europe and Asia are buried under snow.

[awa355]

Maybe time to bump up the old Global Warming bullshit again: http://drsircus.com/world-news/climate-fools

So many men so many opinions but the wheels are falling off this topic lately!

As the old lady in the cartoon says, "Why dont the greenhouse gases simply go through the hole in the ozone layer?"

[James Deuce]

As the old lady in the cartoon says, "Why dont the greenhouse gases simply go through the hole in the ozone layer?"

'Cos it's not an ozone layer.

[oldrider]

But what will they do? It's like the police, They do not want us all to live on beds of roses because they would have no job.
If everyone had a job the winz people would be out of work, so surely they do not want zero unemployment.
A car that never needs servicing or never breaks down, mechanics everywhere must be terrified of the prospects.

True! Look at the old rabbit boards ... did they get rid of the rabbits? They were their food bowl ... their reason for being!

Churches without sinners! Police forces Lawyers and Judges without crime! Teachers without children! . ..

[mashman]

Churches without sinners! Police forces Lawyers and Judges without crime! Teachers without children! . ..

Peace on Earth.

[SPman]

So many men so many opinions but the wheels are falling off this topic lately!

"The numbers don’t lie," said Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State. "Greenhouse gases are rising steadily and the cause is fossil fuel burning and other human activities. The globe is warming, ice is melting and our climate is changing as a result." He is right of course CO2 has been rising but it is cooling not warming.

We've got it all in that article....
Logical fallacies of all shapes, strawman arguments, motivated reasoning, and the old fallback of just making crap up.

Such fun!