MotoGP 2015

**Shaun Harris** · 2nd November 2015, 06:27

What would these unbiased professional racers know-- Not to mention all the comments in favour of VR from past world champion bike racers

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/224...ntroversy.html

Geno ray also

https://www.facebook.com/GinoRea.Pag...745491297072:0

**Shaun Harris** · 2nd November 2015, 06:31

Originally Posted by carbonhed

Why? What did he do?

Nothing directly obvious to this incident. But if you look at how excited he gets about things ( Spanish passion) his mentality must rub off onto his very young son.

**Erelyes** · 2nd November 2015, 07:48

Originally Posted by schrodingers cat

What I was looking forward to was seeing how that would pan out.
Either way , whoever won would deserve it for their own reasons.

In my view - MM's misdirected energies have stolen that from the sport

In MM's defence;
- VR wasn't quick enough to pull a gap and lose him.
- VR wasn't nearly quick enough to catch JL.

Where does it say MM has to accept 4th, and let Rossi come 3rd, just to keep it 'a fight between VR and JL'?

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Unless of course he wasn't quick enough to stick with MM....

**Autech** · 2nd November 2015, 07:55

Originally Posted by Erelyes

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Unless of course he wasn't quick enough to stick with MM....

Yes but according to Rossi he wasn't "Opening the throttle" on the straights, ie MM was prolonging the battle for as long as possible.

**pritch** · 2nd November 2015, 09:55

Originally Posted by Erelyes

If VR was smart, he would have tucked in behind MM, drafted on the straights, saved his tyres, then battled nearer the end of the race.

Hardly. When Marquez was leading Rossi the gap to JL lengthened. MM was deliberately slowing. Rossi tried signaling MM more than once but ultimately got pissed off. A discussion I listened to last night considered the effect of the temperature and humidity on the riders. It's possible that at Silverstone Rossi may have reacted differently, but we'll never know.

I'm in the process of reading Hugh Anderson's book "Being There". He describes being run off the track twice by Phil Read during a race in his early days in Europe. Sort of "Welcome to the UK"? So it's nothing new.

He also describes winning races by a minute or a minute and a half. Or calling into the pits to change plugs and still winning. Or crashing during a race and having to restart the bike on an uphill section of track, then on a later lap the engine died and he had another long uphill push, and still he won the race.

We don't know how lucky we are.

**Tazz** · 2nd November 2015, 09:56

Originally Posted by Digitdion

There is clear doubt that Rossi was intentionally trying to run him off the track.
It is clear that Rossi was trying to impede him. There is a difference. Marquez was not blind sided by Rossi. Marquez had plenty of time to pull back and avoid Rossi. Marquez chose to push and he came into contact with the doctor.

He was slowing down and looking over his shoulder leading another rider to the edge of the track. Where's the doubt.

Did MM have time to pull back? Maybe, if he had been given some hindsight like we have...
Did he expect another racer to slow down like that to take in the serenity? Doubt it, because who the fuck does that in the middle of a race?
As I said before, IMO, the contact is redundant as VR had already done the damage before that happened.

You're not watching a bunch of guys zip down to the dairy through unpredictable traffic.

There is no emotion for either guy in the way I see it. It could be the other way around rider wise and I'd still think the same.

**carbonhed** · 2nd November 2015, 11:01

Originally Posted by pritch

Hardly. When Marquez was leading Rossi the gap to JL lengthened. MM was deliberately slowing. Rossi tried signaling MM more than once but ultimately got pissed off. A discussion I listened to last night considered the effect of the temperature and humidity on the riders. It's possible that at Silverstone Rossi may have reacted differently, but we'll never know.

Lorenzo overtook Rossi in turn 1 lap 2. The gap between them increased thereafter in every single lap apart from one midrace. The biggest increase in the gap between them was when Rossi was playing silly buggers with Marquez. 2.25 secs in a single lap. That kind of cockup happens when you stop racing and have a few tantrums.

**bogan** · 2nd November 2015, 11:14

Originally Posted by carbonhed

Lorenzo overtook Rossi in turn 1 lap 2. The gap between them increased thereafter in every single lap apart from one midrace. The biggest increase in the gap between them was when Rossi was playing silly buggers with Marquez. 2.25 secs in a single lap. That kind of cockup happens when you stop racing and have a few tantrums.

Yeh, but lorenzo was getting away 'slower' after rossi punted MM into the kitty litter...

**carbonhed** · 2nd November 2015, 11:21

Originally Posted by bogan

Yeh, but lorenzo was getting away 'slower' after rossi punted MM into the kitty litter...

And your point is?

**bogan** · 2nd November 2015, 11:27

Originally Posted by carbonhed

And your point is?

To satirize those who are actually trying to defend the boneheaded move.

**carbonhed** · 2nd November 2015, 13:47

Originally Posted by bogan

To satirize those who are actually trying to defend the boneheaded move.

sorry dude. Flew over my head.

**schrodingers cat** · 2nd November 2015, 18:47

Originally Posted by Shaun Harris

https://www.facebook.com/GinoRea.Pag...745491297072:0

"Was Marc Márquez' riding fair? He has every right to fight for his position on the track, but it is deeply unsporting to get involved with a rival with other priorities, unless you can beat them simply. There is nothing in the rules about being sporting, though, just about not being dangerous"

This man has expressed the way I feel about it very very nicely.