MotoGP 2015

[Berries]

And that's as good as it will get for you. Rossi will continue to dwindle and whine until he sputters out. Give his ride to Vinales now.

Classic. Rossi was leading the championship until the end and yet if he started with the others he would have "contrived" to have been there at the end and now you are banging on about him giving his ride to someone else. Let it go. You are coming across as a bigger douchebag one-eyed twat than any of the riders.

[Reckless]

Marquez suddenly found the wherewithal to pounce back on Pedrosa when he went past, then catch right back up to Lorenzo, yet never troubled Lorenzo once. It was all a bit blatant.

JL ran a great race but MM didn't even look like he was thinking about passing JL. Yeah if MM got past JL would still win but that would leave JL open for an attack by DP, who had much more speed than the front two in the closing laps.

Thats how we saw it before about 30 mins ago when we watched it, before I even read a word on here.
I reckon MM could have passed JL a few laps earlier, which means the fight between them or Dani's faster pace could well have put Lorenzo 3rd?
But with MM riding shot gun then fending of his team mate with more aggression than on anyone the whole race, it was over.
Rossi was going fast enough before he realised he'd never catch the 11 seconds, but Lorenzos tyres faded as they have often done in the last laps and MM rode shotgun for him.

No doubt Carbonhead will have lots to say about the above but I'm calling it as saw it.

The rider of the race for me wasnt Rossi making passes on slower bikes but DP charging at the end.

[Autech]

Haha. Everyone is jumping on the DP band wagon


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[Drew]

Haha. Everyone is jumping on the DP band wagon


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I'm not sure why he is being called a surly twat. He's not flamboyant at all, but he's always been professional and gracious.

I have been a fan for a long time, always wanted him to get a title.

[5150]

An interesting article in MCN written by Michael Scott. Basically his take on the whole sorry saga of the Moto Gp. There is one thing that I definately agree with him, and that is all summerised in the first sentence... Enjoy




What a mess. What a shambles. What a shame. The problem is this: one man has – through charm, astuteness and brilliant talent – become bigger than the sport.

And that man has stopped playing Mr Nice Guy.

worldwide army of fans that must number several million hang on his every word and support him blindly. Right or wrong.

As a result, two fine and worthy new world champions have been shoved out of the limelight and into the shadows.

I believe the following:

That Jorge Lorenzo won a well-deserved championship, and was the best MotoGP rider of the year.

That Danny Kent, the first British champion since Barry Sheene in 1977, did the same, by the skin of his teeth, and has earned the right to be acclaimed and respected, not pushed aside by someone else’s controversy.

Everyone else, or at least the most vocal majority, believe something different: that Valentino Rossi was unfairly robbed by a vengeful cheating Marquez.

The dirt rubs off on Honda, who have supported Marquez both vocally and in writing. Rather foolishly, it seems: they’d have done better to keep it zipped.

According to Rossi, the trouble started at the Australian GP when Marquez rode to baulk him, to stop him catching Lorenzo. Since Marquez then went on to defeat Lorenzo, costing him five points, this is scarcely plausible. Unless you are a Rossi fan wearing blinkers.

According to Marquez, it started at the next race, where Rossi’s Thursday press conference attack was deeply insulting. The Spanish, don’t forget, are a proud people. They are at least as good at vendettas as the Italians. This triggered his own blatant blocking at Sepang, in turn leading to the collision, his crash, Rossi’s back-of-the-grid penalty.

According to me, this is the likeliest explanation. Marquez shouldn’t have blocked him at Sepang but, let’s face it, Rossi had asked for it. Marquez has never been a pushover.

Two weeks, a social media storm and a 750,000 strong pro-Rossi petition later, it was impossible that the Valencia showdown would proceed without passions peaking, conspiracy theories abounding, and trouble in store.

Cravenly Dorna tried to put a lid on it, canning the pre-race conference as if this would make all the questions go away. Yamaha likewise cancelled their major Saturday night all-star gala dinner, for which guests had flown in from all over the world. It was to have been a highlight of their 60th anniversary celebrations.

The Permanent Bureau (FIM and Dorna) issued mealie-mouthed statements about “the nobility of our sport”.

Then the race.

As we know, Lorenzo led from start to finish. This is exactly how he has won every one of his seven this year. All normal.

Marquez dogged him closely, but never did try to pass. He planned for the last lap, he said. That was thwarted when team-mate Pedrosa passed him briefly on the last lap, giving Lorenzo a bit of breathing space.

Rossi meantime rode through from the back of the grid like the MotoGP master he has always been, but could never have hoped for better than fourth. Possibly not even if he had started from the first or second row.

So Jorge was champ.

And then it kicked off.

Rossi was unequivocal. Marquez had played the role, he said, of “bodyguard” to Lorenzo. Why did he not even try to overtake him once during the first 29 laps? How was Pedrosa able to close a gap of two seconds at the end?

Marquez had an answer. Lorenzo was basically faster: he was saving his attack for the 30th lap. Valencia is a nasty little one-line circuit, narrow, with few overtaking spots. He would exploit this: if he could get ahead he could stay there over the line. But try as he might (and he looked to me as though he was), he wasn’t close enough.

You have to ask yourself one question. Can you see the ultra-competitive Marquez deliberately throwing a race?

Whichever way you answer, it’s unprovable.

If it was a crime, then it was the perfect crime.

If not, then Rossi is well out of order, and is exploiting his vast popularity to the discredit not only of Marquez but of the series in general.

Because he is bigger than that series.

If things look bad now, just imagine the effect when he does eventually retire.

[Reckless]

Haha. Everyone is jumping on the DP band wagon


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If that was aimed at me? If you troll back over my posts you'll find I've only ever supported two riders Rossi and Pedro
Secondly Pedro has shown himself to be the best sportsman out there (incl Rossi) so it was bound to happen.
Never liked MM since his tactics in moto2 and Lozenge well I reckon he's going to be rated the most unpopular champion thanks to his mate MM and the way he's conveyed himself over the last few weeks.
Last year I was behind Pedro this year Rossi, next year i'll either watch superbike or get behind Pedro I reckon??
The rest of them have done the sport no good this year.

[jasonu]

The Yanks probably think the AMA Nats are the world championship.
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Don't be a dick.

[jasonu]

granted VR had probably burned up his tyres,but the front three were going faster than him .And that has been the story of the season.VR does not have the absolute speed of the other three .vr was about 12 seconds behind when he got to fourth,he was 19 seconds behind dani at the end.and those useless commentators didt once talk about the time gap from dani to vr,that was the important fact not the 5 bloody points

If VR had made an effort to catch DP maybe the commentators might have mentioned it. By the time he made it to 4th and realized there was 12 seconds to 3rd AND he knew his tires were not up to more thrashing, VR most likely settled for 4th, managed the gap to 5th and hoped like hell something in his favor might happen up front. There wasn't much else he could have done.

[jasonu]

Pedrosa used to come across as a surly little twat. Suddenly he's a shining example to everybody else as to how to conduct yourself. I hope next year he can do better than his normal couple of wins.

DP is prolly still a 'surly little twat' but since the other 3 have managed to make themselves look like total cunts... best of a bad bunch maybe?

[Autech]

If that was aimed at me? If you troll back over my posts you'll find I've only ever supported two riders Rossi and Pedro
Secondly Pedro has shown himself to be the best sportsman out there (incl Rossi) so it was bound to happen.
Never liked MM since his tactics in moto2 and Lozenge well I reckon he's going to be rated the most unpopular champion thanks to his mate MM and the way he's conveyed himself over the last few weeks.
Last year I was behind Pedro this year Rossi, next year i'll either watch superbike or get behind Pedro I reckon??
The rest of them have done the sport no good this year.

Aimed at no one in particular mate. Just I have been flying his flag loudly in this thread for many years n usually get hammered by the haters. Not used to seeing so much praise for my fav rider.

Pedrosa champion 2016! Provided he doesnt injure himself again that is


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[Shaun Harris]

Aimed at no one in particular mate. Just I have been flying his flag loudly in this thread for many years n usually get hammered by the haters. Not used to seeing so much praise for my fav rider.

Pedrosa champion 2016! Provided he doesnt injure himself again that is


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What, so he wins 3 races and wins the championship by luck, like N Hayden did way back when

[Drew]

What, so he wins 3 races and wins the championship by luck, like N Hayden did way back when

He's better than Hayden by a very long shot.

[pritch]

DP is prolly still a 'surly little twat' but since the other 3 have managed to make themselves look like total cunts... best of a bad bunch maybe?

In recent years he has mellowed. Reportedy he still doesn't really like doing interviews but at least tries to cooperate and shows evidence of a sense of humour. If I "jumped on the bandwagon" it was during the press conference following Sepang where he spoke with humility and made a lot of sense. Unlike the particularly petulant Lorenzo. Pedro is fit, his arm pump is cured, I'd like to see him compete next year, although, barring accidents, I don't see him as a champion. If he proves me wrong I'll be pleased about that.

Prior to the advent of the Internet I had no concept of just how widely differing people's points of view can be. OK, so nearly a coupla decades later I'm getting the idea. This latest saga has underlined the fact that there are fans, and there are fanatics, and there's a difference. Fortunately, and possibly somewhat surprisingly, we were spared the latter on KB.

[FROSTY:Me]

You know what guys I would hate to be a Moto GP rider. Where very word,every gesture OFF the track is taken as some massive character flaw.
Those poor bastards having just ridden their bikes as hard as they are humanly capable of doing. Then they roll off the track and have microphones, cameras and cellphones shoved in their faces.
An offhand comment gets twisted to suit.
So you know what? I have IMMENSE respect of Rossi,MM,DP Lorenzo and all the other guys at that level.
Guess what they are fucken human beings.They make mistakes.

[Autech]

You know what guys I would hate to be a Moto GP rider. Where very word,every gesture OFF the track is taken as some massive character flaw.
Those poor bastards having just ridden their bikes as hard as they are humanly capable of doing. Then they roll off the track and have microphones, cameras and cellphones shoved in their faces.
An offhand comment gets twisted to suit.
So you know what? I have IMMENSE respect of Rossi,MM,DP Lorenzo and all the other guys at that level.
Guess what they are fucken human beings.They make mistakes.

Hear hear except for the hate to be comment. Guess that is the price for being at the top!
Ditch the microphones I say, its racing not a fucking soap opera.


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