"Lest we forget"

[FJRider]

.... so what's to stop it all happening again? huh?
(bantering tone but serious question)

Lest you forget ...

There are multinational forces fighting in (the same) war zones now ... so in essence ... it's STILL happening.

Boots on the ground ... different cause ... same result.


And plenty make money from it. As plenty did "Then" ...

[Akzle]

And plenty make money from it. As plenty did "Then" ...

ssssshhhhhhhh

dont mention teh jews.

[mstriumph]

There is more to remembrance than having an online bleat.

..... every time I go to a new town or civic building, I stop at their wall of remembrance, read the names, am saddened anew when I see several names all from the same family and contemplate the stupid, senseless waste of it all and the misery it has caused ...

and I 'bleat' about it online

what do YOU do, friend?

[mstriumph]

Actually I attempt to honour the memories of my grandfathers (pl) in many ways and regularly.
Including indulging in online banter without fear of prosecution or persecution for my beliefs, race or sexual preference.
Those online blatherings are free of fear of censorship or repercussion.

I may not have agreed with all the reasons for all the fighting but look around you. We live in a Utopia where the biggest baddies are poverty, ACC and road cops. None of them carry guns, or execute you in your sleep.

fairly said
good point

[mstriumph]

Lest you forget ...

There are multinational forces fighting in (the same) war zones now ... so in essence ... it's STILL happening.

Boots on the ground ... different cause ... same result.


And plenty make money from it. As plenty did "Then" ...

truly sad isn't it

[mstriumph]

ssssshhhhhhhh

dont mention teh jews.

truly silly

[TheDemonLord]

..... every time I go to a new town or civic building, I stop at their wall of remembrance, read the names, am saddened anew when I see several names all from the same family and contemplate the stupid, senseless waste of it all and the misery it has caused ...

and I 'bleat' about it online

what do YOU do, friend?

Suppose, I was to agree with you, all war is a stupid and senseless waste.

I will pose one question - how then do you deal with Tyrants who torture their own people, commit genocide against groups they despise, use Chemical weapons on villages they deem to be sub-human?

Yes, war is bad and people die, but sometimes the alternative is just as, if not more horrific - I will concede that not every war has been fought for such noble purposes and we don't always get it right, such is the burden of being human.

I myself have no alternative that is as effective as kick the door in, shoot the bad guys - certainly we must always try peaceful and diplomatic solutions first and foremost, but we do not have the luxury of these always working and at some point we must be prepared to use force as a final resort.

Do you have the foresight and wisdom to know when it is right to send young men to their deaths to save a greater number from persecution, torture and execution versus when it is right to sit idly by and do nothing?

As for myself - I claim neither, only that sometimes it IS right, and tragic though the deaths may be, they are remembered, not only by their families who lost loved ones, but also by those families who didn't and are forever indebted to their sacrifice.

And such a sacrifice, to us - who have never felt the heavy strain from the yoke of tyranny, may sit in our ivory tower and debate the philosophy of the ethics of war - there are those who have tasted the first morsel of freedom who would eternally argue that their sacrifice was neither stupid nor a senseless waste - and who are we to tell them otherwise?

[bogan]

..... every time I go to a new town or civic building, I stop at their wall of remembrance, read the names, am saddened anew when I see several names all from the same family and contemplate the stupid, senseless waste of it all and the misery it has caused ...

and I 'bleat' about it online

what do YOU do, friend?

Be thankful for those who have sacrificed it all for the sake of our freedom, and try to promote the same freedoms now, lest we ever need to fight for them again.

[mstriumph]

Suppose, I was to agree with you, all war is a stupid and senseless waste.

I will pose one question - how then do you deal with Tyrants who torture their own people, commit genocide against groups they despise, use Chemical weapons on villages they deem to be sub-human?

Yes, war is bad and people die, but sometimes the alternative is just as, if not more horrific - I will concede that not every war has been fought for such noble purposes and we don't always get it right, such is the burden of being human.

I myself have no alternative that is as effective as kick the door in, shoot the bad guys - certainly we must always try peaceful and diplomatic solutions first and foremost, but we do not have the luxury of these always working and at some point we must be prepared to use force as a final resort.

Do you have the foresight and wisdom to know when it is right to send young men to their deaths to save a greater number from persecution, torture and execution versus when it is right to sit idly by and do nothing?

As for myself - I claim neither, only that sometimes it IS right, and tragic though the deaths may be, they are remembered, not only by their families who lost loved ones, but also by those families who didn't and are forever indebted to their sacrifice.

And such a sacrifice, to us - who have never felt the heavy strain from the yoke of tyranny, may sit in our ivory tower and debate the philosophy of the ethics of war - there are those who have tasted the first morsel of freedom who would eternally argue that their sacrifice was neither stupid nor a senseless waste - and who are we to tell them otherwise?

self defence is always justified, mandetory even
marching in to someone else's country at the behest of a so called allie based on nothing more than suposition, smoke and mirrors ... then demonising as the 'enemy' those whose home we have invaded and killing them when they dare to defend themselves is never justified

plenty of folk don't like our systems of government (heck, I don't sometimes, but it is OURS)... how would we feel if they arrogantly marched into Auckland (or Perth) to destabalise our elected governments and install something THEY considered more appropriate?

pretty bloody-minded and vengeful, I'm thinking .... and also justified in fighting back as hard as we could?

[Akzle]

how would we feel if they arrogantly marched into Auckland (or Perth) to destabalise our elected governments and install something THEY considered more appropriate?

you mean theyll destroy auckland AND kill all the politicians and jewcunts?!
Who's hand do i shake?, where do i send the cheques?
Sign me up!

[TheDemonLord]

self defence is always justified, mandetory even
marching in to someone else's country at the behest of a so called allie based on nothing more than suposition, smoke and mirrors ... then demonising as the 'enemy' those whose home we have invaded and killing them when they dare to defend themselves is never justified

So, the Rwandan Genocide, People going round and carving up (literally) with Machetes people from the opposite tribe, not to mention all the Rape, mutilation, torture etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan...ans_of_killing

were we not justified to send in troops to stop the wholesale slaughter?

If you say no, I invite you to read the accounts of what happened in Rwanda - I am a callous fuck when it comes to Gore, Torture etc, and some of the things they got up to make me feel queezy.

I would even go so far to say that it was people who share your mindset that held off sending in troops have a measure of blood on their hands for their inaction

plenty of folk don't like our systems of government (heck, I don't sometimes, but it is OURS)... how would we feel if they arrogantly marched into Auckland (or Perth) to destabalise our elected governments and install something THEY considered more appropriate?

Again, you have never experienced life under a dictatorship or a tyrannical government - sure our government piss us off, and we might bitch and moan about it. but if we do, we can sleep safely at night knowing that black clad paramilitary troops aren't going to kick our doors in at 3 in the morning, arrest us, take us to a prison site, torture us, our relatives and everyone we talked to and then execute us.

If that was happening, I think I might be a little open to the idea of someone marching into Auckland and kicking a little ass - especially if it meant I didn't have to worry about what I said, or worry about people I knew going 'missing'

pretty bloody-minded and vengeful, I'm thinking .... and also justified in fighting back as hard as we could?

Again, it is easy for us who have never experienced a tyrannical government to sit in our Ivory tower and debate about the rights and wrongs - but the reality is that there are many governments with oppressive, racist, and illegal policies (illegal here being in respect to the universal decleration of human rights) who flaunt international pressure to change

[Big Dog]

Actually most of the kiwis I know would only want to know how this was going to affect their rates and ACC. I lament the loss of enthusiasm for righteous outrage beyond an angrily worded post amongst my countrymen.

20 years ago I reckon I could have formed a militia within days under such circumstances. These days I'd probably struggle to form a unit of 6 unless it was to reinstate the internet.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

[TheDemonLord]

Actually most of the kiwis I know would only want to know how this was going to affect their rates and ACC. I lament the loss of enthusiasm for righteous outrage beyond an angrily worded post amongst my countrymen.

20 years ago I reckon I could have formed a militia within days under such circumstances. These days I'd probably struggle to form a unit of 6 unless it was to reinstate the internet.


Stupid phone / Tapatalk, apologies in advance.

You can take our Lands, our Lives, but you will never take our INTERNET!

[mstriumph]

you mean theyll destroy auckland AND kill all the politicians and jewcunts?!
Who's hand do i shake?, where do i send the cheques?
Sign me up!

sometimes I think you must be a different species ...

[mstriumph]

So, the Rwandan Genocide, People going round and carving up (literally) with Machetes people from the opposite tribe, not to mention all the Rape, mutilation, torture etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan...ans_of_killing

were we not justified to send in troops to stop the wholesale slaughter?

If you say no, I invite you to read the accounts of what happened in Rwanda - I am a callous fuck when it comes to Gore, Torture etc, and some of the things they got up to make me feel queezy.

I would even go so far to say that it was people who share your mindset that held off sending in troops have a measure of blood on their hands for their inaction



Again, you have never experienced life under a dictatorship or a tyrannical government - sure our government piss us off, and we might bitch and moan about it. but if we do, we can sleep safely at night knowing that black clad paramilitary troops aren't going to kick our doors in at 3 in the morning, arrest us, take us to a prison site, torture us, our relatives and everyone we talked to and then execute us.

If that was happening, I think I might be a little open to the idea of someone marching into Auckland and kicking a little ass - especially if it meant I didn't have to worry about what I said, or worry about people I knew going 'missing'



Again, it is easy for us who have never experienced a tyrannical government to sit in our Ivory tower and debate about the rights and wrongs - but the reality is that there are many governments with oppressive, racist, and illegal policies (illegal here being in respect to the universal decleration of human rights) who flaunt international pressure to change

Don't you think that's a tad arrogant?
Who elected us god?
By what right, moral or otherwise, are we permitted to be judge, jury and executioner?
And who's the arbiter of whether we are right (have a gold star) or misguided (playground bully award)