"Lest we forget"

[bogan]

Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications ...

Yup, fairly fucking brutal atrocities tend to occur too, especially when one (or both) side is dehumanised by religious indoctrination.

[mstriumph]

Yeh cos religious wars are always just

not a religious war in the subject case ... pest eradication

[FJRider]

not a religious war in the subject case ... pest eradication

Now you advocate killing ... if you find an appropriate excuse ...

[Swoop]

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[mstriumph]

Now you advocate killing ... if you find an appropriate excuse ...

HEY!! I'm part Celt - those of whom it is said "and all their wars are merry, and all their songs are sad" ............. nothing I enjoy more than a good scrap (thought you knew that?).

Difference is that I choose and it's personal.

have a great new year!

[mstriumph]

Warfare in the name of God is not unique to Islam. Other faiths throughout the world have waged wars with religious justifications ...

I don't believe that morality necessarily has anything to do with religion? The two are not interdependent.

[mstriumph]

Nah, not hear to discuss things with a dead guy ......................

Dead guys is what this thread is about so it seemed appropriate
Personally I'd love to be able to know the opinions of our war dead, see how they feel in retrospect about the whole 'king and country' thingy and the rousing words and false promises of politicians who stayed safe at home.. see if they think that where the world has ended up now, a few minutes 'remembrance' and a few poppies once a year were worth dying for

What you, I or anyone here thinks can only ever be supposition and speculation.

[bogan]

Dead guys is what this thread is about so it seemed appropriate
Personally I'd love to be able to know the opinions of our war dead, see how they feel in retrospect about the whole 'king and country' thingy and the rousing words and false promises of politicians who stayed safe at home.. see if they think that where the world has ended up now, a few minutes 'remembrance' and a few poppies once a year were worth dying for

What you, I or anyone here thinks can only ever be supposition and speculation.

I think it insulting to their memory for you to imply a few minutes remembrance and a few poppies once a year were all they died for. Pull your fucking head in.

[FJRider]

Difference is that I choose and it's personal.

have a great new year!

Always has been MY choice ... for MY reasons ... that's what makes it personal.

[FJRider]

I don't believe that morality necessarily has anything to do with religion? The two are not interdependent.

Not necessarily ... but morality is easily claimed if it's in the name of God ...

But it is sort of funny ... when both sides claim that God is on their side ...

Does God need us to fight his wars .. ??? Legend has it ... He could manage to smite the unbelievers on his own ...


I doubt if you could (in all honestly) fight any war in the name of (your) God ... without believing it was morally right.




Interesting reading here ...

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/und...m.html?start=9

[mstriumph]

I think it insulting to their memory for you to imply a few minutes remembrance and a few poppies once a year were all they died for. Pull your fucking head in.

wrong! ... again ... and in soooooo many ways

again YOU inferred something I certainly didn't imply and all your repetition won't make it so- seems to be a habit of yours (appropriate subject for a new year's resolution perhaps?)

.. rude - and silly

- here's a tip (no pun intended ) ... if you are trying to use your head to fuck with you are doing it wrong (could be why you always appear sooooooooooooo frustrated?) - then again, mebbe it's worth it to you to avoid spending hours looking for your minuscule dick?

dogs - crochet - that's all she wrote.

[mstriumph]

Not necessarily ... but morality is easily claimed if it's in the name of God ...

yep

But it is sort of funny ... when both sides claim that God is on their side ...

absolutely

Does God need us to fight his wars .. ??? Legend has it ... He could manage to smite the unbelievers on his own ...

never understood that either

I doubt if you could (in all honestly) fight any war in the name of (your) God ... without believing it was morally right.

I don't actually have one so can't comment about religious morality (decided when I was five that, if god did exist from the state of the world he'd probably packed up and gone fishing a long time ago so i'd better learn to accept responsibility for my own actions ) - have often pondered, though, whether religious morality is sometimes a cloak for something infinitely less praiseworthy and more sinister...

I think I'm with George Carlin on most of it (links posted previously - cynical as all get-out)

Interesting reading here ...

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/und...m.html?start=9

thanks for that - am struck by the phrase "If there is no peaceful alternative, Islam also allows the use of force, but there are strict rules of engagement. Innocents - such as women, children, or invalids - must never be harmed, and any peaceful overtures from the enemy must be accepted. " Makes me wonder if those currently causing problems have actually read their own scriptures (could also say the same about other religions ...)

[FJRider]

(decided when I was five that, if god did exist from the state of the world he'd probably packed up and gone fishing a long time ago so i'd better learn to accept responsibility for my own actions )

It took me until age 10 to figure that out ...

have often pondered, though, whether religious morality is sometimes a cloak for something infinitely less praiseworthy and more sinister...

See reply above ...

Makes me wonder if those currently causing problems have actually read their own scriptures (could also say the same about other religions ...)

See reply above the one above

[huff3r]

Dead guys is what this thread is about so it seemed appropriate
Personally I'd love to be able to know the opinions of our war dead, see how they feel in retrospect about the whole 'king and country' thingy and the rousing words and false promises of politicians who stayed safe at home.. see if they think that where the world has ended up now, a few minutes 'remembrance' and a few poppies once a year were worth dying for

What you, I or anyone here thinks can only ever be supposition and speculation.

Have you thought of talking to the living? Those who lost friends and brothers to war? Those who lost limbs and freedom? Plenty of them will tell you what it's all about, and you might be surprised how many of them would do it all again.

Oh and nobody has to convince a soldier to go to war, the many I know are all far more keen than most would realise to get out there and do what they are trained to do.

[bogan]

wrong! ... again ... and in soooooo many ways

again YOU inferred something I certainly didn't imply and all your repetition won't make it so- seems to be a habit of yours (appropriate subject for a new year's resolution perhaps?)

.. rude - and silly

- here's a tip (no pun intended ) ... if you are trying to use your head to fuck with you are doing it wrong (could be why you always appear sooooooooooooo frustrated?) - then again, mebbe it's worth it to you to avoid spending hours looking for your minuscule dick?

dogs - crochet - that's all she wrote.

Sorry, I missed the bit about 'where the world has ended up now'; though the overall implication still seems heavily on the achieved-fuck-all side. You still miss the point about hindsight not being available at the time, and I think the objectives they set out to achieve in those wars were achieved anyway. Perhaps a better scoped question would be: see if they think stopping the central powers advance across europe and winning the war for the allies was worth dying for.

Any observed frustration is just my needling you to stay on topic, not really working so well (considering the time you're spending thinking about my penis) since you backed yourself into a corner quite a number of pages ago though.