"Lest we forget"

[Murray]

we've arrived at the same place anyway?

Not really. We still have an Israel which wouldn't be here now if Hitler had taken over Europe.

[Akzle]

Not really. We still have an Israel which wouldn't be here now if Hitler had taken over Europe.

like that would be a bad thing??

yurp invented israel to gtfo its jews, unfortunately they didn't all leave.
and i think you'll find it's more correctly known as 'the occupied terrortories of palestine'
fucken jew cunts.

[Voltaire]

like that would be a bad thing??

yurp invented israel to gtfo its jews, unfortunately they didn't all leave.
and i think you'll find it's more correctly known as 'the occupied terrortories of palestine'
fucken jew cunts.

i tahaetia tenei whenua e te english.....me te shit

[Akzle]

i tahaetia tenei whenua e te english.....me te shit

well, they haven't actually stolen anything, they just have claims... to titles... which they made up...

i have claims too...

[Murray]

like that would be a bad thing??

yurp invented israel to gtfo its jews, unfortunately they didn't all leave.
and i think you'll find it's more correctly known as 'the occupied terrortories of palestine'
fucken jew cunts.

Thanks for the red rep and yes my bikes (all 3) are registered.

I refrain from red repping people but here you go

[Akzle]

I refrain from red repping people but here you go

i normally refrain from giving a fuck, but... no, wait, don't give a fuck.

[Ocean1]

nice try but inadmissible ... there's a whole (very lucrative) industry based on making people's choices for them ... the acceptable name for it is advertising... when governments do it, the more sinister (and accurate) name is brainwashing

You could call it that. If you wanted to influence someone's choices.

Now see if you can actually listen this time. They chose to fight to preserve a government that simply asked them to, because the alternative was likely to be a government that told them to.

And your claim that they were too young/inexperienced/uninformed/stupid to be allowed to make that choice themselves aligns you firmly with those they defeated all those years ago.

Case closed.

[Ocean1]

What we should Remember on Remembrance Day is just how we much can learn from the past…and just how little changes in the future if we don’t learn from the past.

War solves nothing and changes precious little!

[oldrider]

You could call it that. If you wanted to influence someone's choices.

Now see if you can actually listen this time. They chose to fight to preserve a government that simply asked them to, because the alternative was likely to be a government that told them to.

And your claim that they were too young/inexperienced/uninformed/stupid to be allowed to make that choice themselves aligns you firmly with those they defeated all those years ago.

Case closed.

A few little war time facts that I remember.

WW2 we (NZ) had a Labour government, the prime minister had been a conscientious objector in WW1 but suddenly he was happy to apply conscription for WW2!

His name was Peter Fraser. (look him up)

He sent men and women to war because where Britain goes NZ goes and of course he didn't have to go this time!

Then when Japan attacked us (because USA forced their hand) the NZ PM did not bring our troops home to defend us, he left them with Churchill defending Europe!

Australia brought their troops back to fight the Japanese and America based themselves training in NZ and fought their way back up from here!

Japs were attacking Australia and were around NZ, I saw a real (armed) Japanese float plane (launched off a submarine) fly over Woodville when I was a kid.

A Harvard was sent from Ohakea to track the spy plane but it was not armed so maybe he didn't try too hard, two Harvards were scrambled but only one went in pursuit!

I saw the Harvard fly over as well after the float plane!

My relatives were building an air-raid shelter at the time the plane flew over and it caused a bit of a panic among them.

An ex neighbour and friend (who is still alive) saw the actual submarine from the ferry he was travelling home on while on leave from the air force.

The Germans laid mines and sank ships around NZ waters near Auckland too!

Some people think we were in a benign safe place but history will tell you that it was closer than most people think!

[jonbuoy]

Yes
and here we are, all those years later, with Germany the prime mover (read "winner") in the European common market.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, merely building on what you've said to point out that, really, we've arrived at the same place anyway?

Are you really that thick that you compare Angela Merkel with Hitler? Germany is where it is because the Germans have worked hard and the German government have been sensible with the budgets.

I wonder how welcome half these posts would be in an Anzac Day thread?

[jonbuoy]

Hush child and listen to your elders (and, in this case, betters). I did not imply that .... I'm not much of a hand at pussy-footing, if I had intended to convey what you inferred I would have come right out and said it. As for your other drivel ... I started this thread so I decided what it was about - if I haven't yet exhausted your tiny attention span (probably an indication of similar deficiencies elsewhere, but I digress...) go back and READ my introductory post. Move your lips if it makes it easier, that's OK, we'll wait ... Now, if you want to go off and start a Remembrance Day thread full of warm fuzzies, pics of innocent young, fresh-faced kiddies waving flags as our brave (and fully-informed) boys march off to "defend us" in someone else's country then fine. Feel free. Is that straight-talking enough for you?

So what was the point of the thread? If you think you can stay at home and the rest of the world won't bother you unless you bother it your sadly mistaken. I guess in your opinion the Dutch did the right thing in Srebrenica? After all what's the point in risking your life for someone in a another country? Thankfully all those years ago younger and smarter people than you did the right thing. Do you really think Hitler and Hirohito would have just ignored Australia and NZ?

[James Deuce]

Neither Hitler nor Tojo had the logistical capability to put significant numbers of troops on the ground in NZ or Australia. Milne Bay was an attempt to bully Australia into quitting WW2 to deny the U.S. friendly territory in the STH Pacific and Indian Oceans. NZ was expected to follow suit. Everyone seems to forget that Japan's main fight in WW 2 was China. The pacific was a sideshow in comparison. There is a military maxim that says it takes 1000 men to put 1 man on the ground 10000 miles away.

[Voltaire]

I was in Vietnam recently and there is a prime example of how futile wars are.
40 years on the USA is their biggest trading partner, most of the vehicles on the road are Japanese.
The Govt there is self elected and on the face of it communist but thats about it.
Very little sign of Marxism that I could see.

The US spends billions on the returned servicemen rehab and healthcare, as well as billions in Vietnam clearing up mines and agent orange.

Probably all going to happen again in Iraq.

[mstriumph]

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The French could be up there with the Germans if they did not take 2 hours for lunch and only work 37 hours.....hmmmmm

I KNEW there just had to be something I liked about the French ....

[mstriumph]

Not really. We still have an Israel which wouldn't be here now if Hitler had taken over Europe.

Actually, the circumstances of the modern state of Israel's birth and survival were so bizarre that I'm not sure it couldn't survive even Hitler ...perhaps there IS such a thing as divine intervention

not that I believe in it myself, of course (otherwise we wouldn't have the pollies we have )