"Lest we forget"

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 12:29

Originally Posted by Ocean1

You could call it that. If you wanted to influence someone's choices.

Now see if you can actually listen this time. They chose to fight to preserve a government that simply asked them to, because the alternative was likely to be a government that told them to.

And your claim that they were too young/inexperienced/uninformed/stupid to be allowed to make that choice themselves aligns you firmly with those they defeated all those years ago.

Case closed.

Tsk tsk ... can't believe you are naturally this obtuse so you must be attempting to push my buttons

OK, I'll play ... your points in order:-

1. If advertising (or the more sinister brainwashing) DIDN'T work, it wouldn't still be with us ... and flourishing. I don't think you can argue that multi-nationals and politicians (to name but a few) participate in it for the general good or the benefit of humanity.

2. Don't narrow the argument - I've been talking about the conflict over the last century specifically as it impinges on my own allegiances NZ, Aus., UK.
The conversation mostly wasn't "D'you want to go overseas and possibly get irreparably damaged, all expenses paid? (until, of course, you get back - if you do - and find that there're no jobs, support or (in some instances) even a welcome for you, your family is split, your kids don't know you (or worse, aren't yours) and, IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE, those that managed NOT to go (pollies included) have fared much better than you and have a future you probably have no hope of attaining) or we might send you anyway. The bastards in charge used every tool, blandishment, slight of hand and sneaky manoeuvre to achieve their political agenda.
Didn't they.

3. Naughty

I've never either implied or claimed "... that they were too young/inexperienced/uninformed/stupid to be allowed to make that choice themselves" - what I have said, and still maintain, is that their youth and vulnerability were cynically taken advantage of and their better natures exploited to serve the ends of others TO THEIR DETRIMENT. Can you seriously believe it's OK for politicians to do that?

4. OK - button pushed "aligns you firmly with those they defeated all those years ago" - You are SERIOUSLY aligning me with the Nazis? SERIOUSLY? A small, humble and heartfelt apology for that is in order to restore my previous regard for you. Because you are seriously out of line.

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 12:35

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

Are you really that thick that you compare Angela Merkel with Hitler? Germany is where it is because the Germans have worked hard and the German government have been sensible with the budgets.

I wonder how welcome half these posts would be in an Anzac Day thread?

Oh dear.
It continues to bother me (slightly) that you still really don't get it ...
but not enough for me to explain the situation in words of one syllable and pictures (and thereby forego the pleasure of pointing and laughing when you bumble through yet one more inanity).

Good job on the grammar and spelling this time, though.

**oldrider** · 13th November 2014, 12:43

Originally Posted by mstriumph

Actually, the circumstances of the modern state of Israel's birth and survival were so bizarre that I'm not sure it couldn't survive even Hitler ...perhaps there IS such a thing as divine intervention

Some scribes even suggest that Hitler was merely a porn in the great saga of Israel ... a totally absorbing subject if you dare to explore it!

"Anti-Semitic" .... is the immediate cry of the ill-informed!

Link:http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/23/...witcher=mobile

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 12:59

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

So what was the point of the thread? If you think you can stay at home and the rest of the world won't bother you unless you bother it your sadly mistaken.

I guess in your opinion the Dutch did the right thing in Srebrenica has to do with WWs 1, 2 and similar?(Cyrillic: СребреницаSrebrenica? After all what's the point in risking your life for someone in a another country? Thankfully all those years ago younger and smarter people than you did the right thing. Do you really think Hitler and Hirohito would have just ignored Australia and NZ?

Look again at the thread title and first post (you are reminded that this is 'open book' and all the answers to this pop quiz are contained in the material already given to you ... ).

Please explain:-

what the actions (or lack thereof) of the Dutch in Srebrenica has to do with WWs 1, 2 and similar? (the thread, remember?)
the meaning of "risking your life for someone in a another country? - who's life? where? why are 'you' there in the first place?",
How being dead, maimed and otherwise seriously disadvantaged because some politician asked or directed you to do something politically and otherwise advantagious to them qualifies as 'smart' in the context under discussion,
how you feel it's justified somehow (your comments about Hitler and Hirohito) to attack another country just because you feel that it might, possibly, perhaps become your enemy at some undefined future point.

Sorry the rest of you - I can't stop this - it's too entrancing (which makes me a REALLY bad person, right? but at least I don't kick real puppies ...)

**Banditbandit** · 13th November 2014, 13:05

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

So what was the point of the thread? If you think you can stay at home and the rest of the world won't bother you unless you bother it your sadly mistaken.

I guess in your opinion the Dutch did the right thing in Srebrenica? After all what's the point in risking your life for someone in a another country? Thankfully all those years ago younger and smarter people than you did the right thing. Do you really think Hitler and Hirohito would have just ignored Australia and NZ?

If you bothered to read and comprehend mstriumph's first post you would have seen that she has served time in the armed forces .. she was prepared to put her life on the line for our country ..

Can you make the same claim ???

**bogan** · 13th November 2014, 13:15

Seems some have already forgotten. We remember them for giving the greatest sacrifice of all, for the country they loved; do not seek to taint their memory with implications they made the wrong choice.

While contemplating where humanity went wrong in order for such a conflict to arise is worth doing and learning from, it is better left for another time; this shit is reminiscent of those twats who tried to do white poppy day on anzac day a few years back.

Originally Posted by oldrider

Some scribes even suggest that Hitler was merely a porn in the great saga of Israel ...

Hitler porn? ewwww.

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 13:19

Originally Posted by oldrider

Some scribes even suggest that Hitler was merely a porn in the great saga of Israel ... a totally absorbing subject if you dare to explore it!

"Anti-Semitic" .... is the immediate cry of the ill-informed!

Link:http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/23/...witcher=mobile

Wow!
I looooooooooove the thought of Hitler as a porn star

just think, we could see for ourselves if the claims of the old Brit wartime song were true or not ..... ?!

Seriously - he's right ... in some quarters 'Israel' seems to have become equated with 'Motherhood' and viewed in the same idealistic light ... My own Mother fell far short of that ideal in some ways and it'd be unrealistic to think that Israel (being comprised of human beings - a far from infallible species) didn't too.

Truth is, there are many flavours of Jews in Israel and some of them leave as bitter a taste as any other extremists anywhere.

Interestingly, the online definition of Semitic differs from the way in which it's commonly used:

Semitic
sɪˈmɪtɪk/
adjective
adjective: Semitic

1.
relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
2.
relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.

Not many people seem to know that (channelling that Brit bloke who played Alfie in the movie of the same name whilst most of us were just a twinkle .....

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 13:23

Originally Posted by Akzle

like that would be a bad thing??

yurp invented israel to gtfo its jews, unfortunately they didn't all leave.
and i think you'll find it's more correctly known as 'the occupied terrortories of palestine'
fucken jew cunts.

Nice to see you at Synagogue again last Friday night, Fella

keep it up!

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 13:28

Originally Posted by Akzle

well, they haven't actually stolen anything, they just have claims... to titles... which they made up...

i have claims too...

I have a title .... oh, sorry, thought this was 'one upmanship 101'

**Oscar** · 13th November 2014, 13:40

Originally Posted by oldrider

Some scribes even suggest that Hitler was merely a porn in the great saga of Israel ... a totally absorbing subject if you dare to explore it!

"Anti-Semitic" .... is the immediate cry of the ill-informed!

Link:http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/23/...witcher=mobile

This forum is full of ignorant twats, but you my friend, are the King of the Fuckwits.
Someone starts a thread to honour the dead who fought for us, and it soon becomes a cesspit of half arsed opinions.
You guys have no shame.

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 13:45

Originally Posted by bogan

.......... do not seek to taint their memory with implications they made the wrong choice.

.......................

For my part no disrespect whatsoever intended for those that went ... only bitterness and contempt for those that sent them while they stayed safe at home.

The deeds done, the heroism on the battlefield, the courage with which those that went continued in the face of truly horrific circumstances, these things are not in the slightest diminished by the reasons they went, even if those reasons were misguided.

**Akzle** · 13th November 2014, 13:53

Originally Posted by Oscar

This forum is full of ignorant twats, but you my friend, are the King of the Fuckwits.
Someone starts a thread to honour the dead who fought for us, and it soon becomes a cesspit of half arsed opinions.
You guys have no shame.

nononononono son. half arsed opinions aren't normally derived from verifiable fact.

dead honoured? like fucking hell. you want to honour them you should be out there shooting camel jockeys or some shit, you know, fighting the good fight...

OR, shootin fucking politicians and jewcunts who drive society away from the ideal of peace and freedom the soldiers may or may not have believed they were serving.

i pick the latter. honour by internet? fuckin 'ell, have you no shame.

Originally Posted by mstriumph

Nice to see you at Synagogue again last Friday night, Fella

keep it up!

shit, did anyone else see me

more importantly, did they find the explosives?

**Oscar** · 13th November 2014, 13:54

Originally Posted by Akzle

nononononono son. half arsed opinions aren't normally derived from verifiable fact.

dead honoured? like fucking hell. you want to honour them you should be out there shooting camel jockeys or some shit, you know, fighting the good fight...

OR, shootin fucking politicians and jewcunts who drive society away from the ideal of peace and freedom the soldiers may or may not have believed they were serving.

i pick the latter. honour by internet? fuckin 'ell, have you no shame.

shit, did anyone else see me

more importantly, did they find the explosives?

..and right on cue - Prince of the Fuckwits.

**mstriumph** · 13th November 2014, 14:06

Originally Posted by Oscar

This forum is full of ignorant twats, but you my friend, are the King of the Fuckwits.
Someone starts a thread to honour the dead who fought for us, and it soon becomes a cesspit of half arsed opinions.
You guys have no shame.

Love it!
Firstly, sorry, I don't think I want to be your friend.

Secondly, if I were of the fuckwit mentality, that'd be Queen (or at least Princess) of that happy band ... which means YOU, as one of the rank and file, would have to call me M'aam

As it is, marks for reading the symbol at the top of my posts = zero

Thirdly, t'was I that started the thread (thanks for acknowleging that I'm a 'someone') and my initial post was obviously soo much broader than honouring those that died that it's resulted in a really interesting input of views, most of them on topic, from all quarters (well, not from Akzle, admittedly but every thread is entitled to a little light relief?). So, marks for doing you homework before spouting off = zero

Lastly, and seriously ...... we "have no shame"??! To the contrary, it's fairly obvious from most of the posts here that the posters, me included, are bowed down by shame - shame that those conflicts happened for so little, shame that so many were hurt so horrendously and shame that there's nothing to stop the same senseless slaughter happening again.

So, total marks for this round = zero
Would you like to play again?