"Lest we forget"

[98tls]

who does your dog think you are?

He doesnt give a fuck about me at the moment seems hes picked up the smell of some bitch on heat leaking all over the internet,chow eh will pass on your good wishes.

[mstriumph]

He doesnt give a fuck about me at the moment seems hes picked up the smell of some bitch on heat leaking all over the internet,chow eh will pass on your good wishes.

he doesn't care about you?
'nuff said.

[Banditbandit]

afterthought - can I have a go on your goldstar if Akzle makes good on his offer?

Rule 1 - No-one rides my bikes but me ...

Rule 2 - See Rule 1 ...

[jonbuoy]

Look again at the thread title and first post (you are reminded that this is 'open book' and all the answers to this pop quiz are contained in the material already given to you ... ).

Please explain:-

• what the actions (or lack thereof) of the Dutch in Srebrenica has to do with WWs 1, 2 and similar? (the thread, remember?)
• the meaning of "risking your life for someone in a another country? - who's life? where? why are 'you' there in the first place?",
• How being dead, maimed and otherwise seriously disadvantaged because some politician asked or directed you to do something politically and otherwise advantagious to them qualifies as 'smart' in the context under discussion,
• how you feel it's justified somehow (your comments about Hitler and Hirohito) to attack another country just because you feel that it might, possibly, perhaps become your enemy at some undefined future point.

Sorry the rest of you - I can't stop this - it's too entrancing (which makes me a REALLY bad person, right? but at least I don't kick real puppies ...)

If you can't see the relationship between 1,2 and 3 then your beyond help.

Troops were sent overseas by politicians during the Bosnian war to protect civilians.

Some of those troops died thousands of others risked their lives trying to protect civilians.

The ones that died are also part of Remembrance Sunday. And are therefore completely relevant. Unless you think otherwise?

The Dutch didn't step in and try and prevent the fall of the city - not their problem I guess. As a result thousands of civilians died. Do you think that was the right decision?

Remembrance Sunday is not just about WW1/WW2.

Do you know anything about Hitlers plan for Germania?? Why do you think he was expanding into Poland?

[FJRider]

Look again at the thread title and first post ...

"Lest We Forget" ...



For those that post on Kiwibiker please remember ... This is a New Zealand Web site.

In my early teens ... I attended an ANZAC day Dawn Parade that was also attended by protesters that claimed the day was celebrating the War Monger's that sent or went. Few attended any ANZAC parades that did not have friends/Family connections to those that went/died to/in those war zones.

Public opinion on ANZAC days ... has changed considerably since then. But WHY ... WHAT HAS CAUSED THIS CHANGE of OPINION ... ???

Most of those that went (THEN ... and in later years) did so simply ... out of ... and in the interest/intent of a great (Government paid) Overseas adventure.

Fact of reality ... ANYBODY entering an active service war zone may not come home alive. ALL those that DO go to such areas ... KNOW this.


Many signing the dotted line hope they'll never have to go. But .. Many hope they DO get the chance to go.

AND ... after years of training ... MANY (in uniform) want to put that training into practice.

And many (in uniform) do not.



The reasons ... "For Going" were THEIRS ... and ... THEY had THEIR reasons. Those reasons were NOT necessarily the official version. Strangely ... often for selfish reasons.

It was always a personal choice.

The results of their actions can not always be defined ... or understood. But the result for those that remain ... could be different now had they NOT gone.

Political decisions are usually made for the greater good of the Country .. and in/with support of/from her Allies/Friends.

Stand by your friends ... you need ALL the help you can get at times ... and you never know WHEN those times will be.

[mstriumph]

...............
Fact of reality ... ANYBODY entering an active service war zone may not come home alive. ALL those that DO go to such areas ... KNOW this............................

unfortunately, you know it intellectually but, when in your late teens, your gut still thinks you are bulletproof "It'll never happen to me" - I can remember feeling that way, it was a while ago (I wasn't always as cynical as I am now).

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Political decisions are usually made for the greater good of the Country ... .

I liked the rest of your post but you and I will have to agree to disagree on this bit; there are many, many reasons for political decisions but, from observation (unless our leaders are truly stupid) the one you've suggested is a long way down the list.

[James Deuce]

Political decisions are made to enhance the economic status of those who either have the ear of Government or bought the ear of the Government. The "Good of the Country" does not equate to a meaningfully employed and properous populace.

[Ocean1]

Political decisions are made to enhance the economic status of those who either have the ear of Government or bought the ear of the Government. The "Good of the Country" does not equate to a meaningfully employed and properous populace.

That.

Or they've got the weird idea that in order to actually obtain discressionary income they first need an income, and the only place that comes from is the "productive sector", so it literally pays to not cripple the horse providing your apples before you bite the hand etc.

[Banditbandit]

, so it literally pays to not cripple the horse providing your apples before you bite the hand etc.

Fuck - that must have been some seriously good shit you took ...

Strangely, coming from you, that makes no sense at all ...

[Banditbandit]

Political decisions are made to enhance the economic status of those who either have the ear of Government or bought the ear of the Government. The "Good of the Country" does not equate to a meaningfully employed and properous populace.

Exactly .. "the good of the country" or "the good of the economy" are catch phrases designed to have the sheep populace say "Yes Sir ..."

[bogan]

Exactly .. "the good of the country" or "the good of the economy" are catch phrases designed to have the sheep populace say "Yes Sir ..."

The irony is you seem to think that the good of the country is what you think it is, not what the country thinks it is... I mean maybe the sheep populace actually have a right to their opinion

[Banditbandit]

The irony is you seem to think that the good of the country is what you think it is, not what the country thinks it is... I mean maybe the sheep populace actually have a right to their opinion

No, not at all - but I certainly think that "the good of the country" is NOT determined by politicians and propaganda merchants ..

[bogan]

No, not at all - but I certainly think that "the good of the country" is NOT determined by politicians and propaganda merchants ..

Who better to determine it than our elected officials though?

[Banditbandit]

Who better to determine it than our elected officials though?

[mashman]

That.

Or they've got the weird idea that in order to actually obtain discressionary income they first need an income, and the only place that comes from is the "productive sector", so it literally pays to not cripple the horse providing your apples before you bite the hand etc.

So don't fuck the people over because they're providing you with your income. You do realise that fucking people over is akin to crippling the horse etc...? Of course you don't, my apologies for insinuating such a thing.