Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[husaberg]

Surely you can't be that dumb?

Let me spell out something that should be your bread and butter (although you may be ignorant of this given your post above). A murderer has already committed a fatal act against another person. The average motorist hasn't even come close. To lump the two together really illustrates what you think about those you are sworn to serve.

And while we're on the subject of numbers - if all the dollars that were uselessly put into supposedly combating so-called road carnage were diverted into, say, cancer research and it's ilk there would be a real, measurable, reduction in suffering way in excess of the annual road toll. Why the hell do we become so damn important to you just because we make that magic transition from foot to wheel?

bump................Note the passengers and children

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html

[R650R]

Surely you can't be that dumb?

Let me spell out something that should be your bread and butter (although you may be ignorant of this given your post above). A murderer has already committed a fatal act against another person. The average motorist hasn't even come close. To lump the two together really illustrates what you think about those you are sworn to serve.

And while we're on the subject of numbers - if all the dollars that were uselessly put into supposedly combating so-called road carnage were diverted into, say, cancer research and it's ilk there would be a real, measurable, reduction in suffering way in excess of the annual road toll. Why the hell do we become so damn important to you just because we make that magic transition from foot to wheel?

Actually the average motorist has come very close to killing, the less than average have killed and then there's the way less than average that have killed more than once... there's plenty of whining in here everyday to support how close average joe comes to killing someone daily on the roads....

Cancer is an industry that sucks up donated money like nothing else with little to show for it. Only 3% of victims ever get 100% remmision, the rest just die a bit later if their lucky or die earlier due to the side effects of the cancer drugs... so maybe we should divert cancer funds into a blue ribbon day cause and everyone could donate to road policing.... as although none of us would like to admit it, their 'treatment programme' is resulting in less deaths per year, way more successful thanh the cancer industry....
And maybe just maybe the guy who discovers the cure to cancer doesn't get liked in a road accident before he makes the discovery

[rastuscat]

Surely you can't be that dumb?

Let me spell out something that should be your bread and butter (although you may be ignorant of this given your post above). A murderer has already committed a fatal act against another person. The average motorist hasn't even come close. To lump the two together really illustrates what you think about those you are sworn to serve.

And while we're on the subject of numbers - if all the dollars that were uselessly put into supposedly combating so-called road carnage were diverted into, say, cancer research and it's ilk there would be a real, measurable, reduction in suffering way in excess of the annual road toll. Why the hell do we become so damn important to you just because we make that magic transition from foot to wheel?

Read the whole comment. I pointed out that figure merely to dispute the comment it was quoted against. Still, selective quoting is a skill you've clearly mastered, so crack on.

Prevention is a thankless task. It's hard to measure how many crashes have been prevented. And if you count the number of crashes, it's hard to say what led to increases or decreases.

It's unlikely that we'll agree, so let's not bother trying.

[Scuba_Steve]

so maybe we should divert cancer funds into a blue ribbon day cause and everyone could donate to road policing.... as although none of us would like to admit it, their 'treatment programme' is resulting in less deaths per year, way more successful thanh the cancer industry....

I'm sorry what!?
If we were talking about the motor vehicle R&D you'd have a point but you're trying to claim the cops are doing it... Next you'll be telling us the Nigerian scammers save people from rubella

[swbarnett]

Actually the average motorist has come very close to killing,

Bullshit. Until you produce some hard figures anecdotal evidence means nothing.

there's plenty of whining in here everyday to support how close average joe comes to killing someone daily on the roads....

This is a view distorted by the number of kms driven every day. I honestly believe that the average "joe" is a better driver than some would have us believe.

Cancer is an industry that sucks up donated money like nothing else with little to show for it. Only 3% of victims ever get 100% remmision, the rest just die a bit later if their lucky or die earlier due to the side effects of the cancer drugs...

Pick another research program then. Or maybe if the money went to something like Kids Can we'd have a better adjusted and educated population that would actually be able to think properly.

so maybe we should divert cancer funds into a blue ribbon day cause and everyone could donate to road policing.... as although none of us would like to admit it, their 'treatment programme' is resulting in less deaths per year, way more successful than the cancer industry....

Have you seen this years figures (post #817) the deaths are up by 14% so far this year with another week to go.

[swbarnett]

Read the whole comment. I pointed out that figure merely to dispute the comment it was quoted against.

You compared the average motorist directly to a murderer. That, in my book, just goes to show your poor attitude towards the average motorist. And here was I thinking you were one of the good ones.

It's hard to measure how many crashes have been prevented. And if you count the number of crashes, it's hard to say what led to increases or decreases.

Which is exactly the point. You and your bosses have absolutely no basis to claim that what you're doing is working. Stop treating those of us that are doing no harm to anyone like common criminals.

It's unlikely that we'll agree, so let's not bother trying.

Perhaps if you understood more of what it is to be human then you'd be able to accept that a certain level of carnage in life (not just on the roads) is a necessary part of living. Living is what's important, not existing in absolute safety.

[nzspokes]

This is a view distorted by the number of kms driven every day. I honestly believe that the average "joe" is a better driver than some would have us believe.

What a load of crap. You have a Rose tinted visor on your helmet?

[R650R]

Bullshit. Until you produce some hard figures anecdotal evidence means nothing.

The level of hysteria with the associated posts tends to swing them more to hard evidence than 'anecdotal'....

[R650R]

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Well seriously, that's a worry, as a "professional" in the field you should know. It's covered on the British Motorcycle Police handbook, you should get a copy and read it.

People who have had any particular type of accident are statistically more likely to have a similar accident because they are all good drivers and seeing no need to improve they carry on, same ol' same ol'.

Same as here.

That sounds like indoctrination propaganda rather than fact.
More like SOME people who have accidents are more likely to have another accident. Its pretty hard to go through life not having an accident or two at one stage.

[BlackSheepLogic]

This is a view distorted by the number of kms driven every day. I honestly believe that the average "joe" is a better driver than some would have us believe

I have lived in several countries and there's a recurrent theme where the locals believe most drivers on the road are crap and incurious to other users. In the states I've heard on talk back how good NZ drivers were compared to "us" crappy drivers in the states.

My view is that NZ drivers are on the whole are good but I do find some quite oblivious to what's going on around, incurious using the right most lanes holding up traffic or in making room/ giving way to others. But this is a small number of motorists. Multi-lane roundabouts and lane selection at the lights tends to bring the worst out in some drivers but it's a small minority of the road users I see when out with the bike.

As a class of road users I see mopeds (50cc scooters) exhibiting some of the most atrocious behavior.

[R650R]

Fatigue stops.... I'm tempted to start a whole diff thread about it... should just include the word speed in the title hehe....

But yesterday cranking up the Wairoa rd and holy hell we've got the twelve horsemen of the apocalypse blocking the road at Raupunga.
Breath test sir, yes no problem with that.... yada yada yada we're running a fatigue stop here, coffee and donuts over there....
He was looking a bit sad to start with and then even more lost when I said you've got to be joking mate, only just left Napier (74km) see you later I'm gone.
At least the mobile chase unit didn't mind me cranking up the hill towards there about 1km earlier with my knee just about on the deck....

But any way as I get closer to Wairoa I encounter several unusual streams of traffic that doesn't fit the pattern for this road even in holiday times. I reckoned they were caused by the fatigue stop and once on lemming decided it was time to leave everyone else left at same time. But each group had a slow driver at front and everyone seemed switched off from overtaking mode but were drawn into the group convoy tailgating mode.
Which makes it difficult for someone such as me catching up to effect a safe over take to get ahead of the club 80k lemming society...
Now the cops crow on about slow drivers holding people up but there their own checkpoints creating same conditions. And this on a road that transit is spending big bucks on to expand overtaking chances.
Thoughts....

[R650R]

I'm sorry what!?
If we were talking about the motor vehicle R&D you'd have a point but you're trying to claim the cops are doing it... Next you'll be telling us the Nigerian scammers save people from rubella

I hate to admit it but if you look at the culture shift in the last 10-15 years with speed is has to have had an effect. A mate in the fire service reckons they are going to much less serious crashes on SH5 than they used to and talking to the cops they say to him they are still catching people doing high speed but not as many as before. I tried to argue the road has improved greatly but think they are right actually. Its still a lesser enforced route but the cop no go zones are gone and you can seriously expect them up there at any time these days. I definitely don't ride as silly as I used to over there because of it, they have sussed out too many good hiding spots now.

[oneofsix]

Fatigue stops.... I'm tempted to start a whole diff thread about it... should just include the word speed in the title hehe....

But yesterday cranking up the Wairoa rd and holy hell we've got the twelve horsemen of the apocalypse blocking the road at Raupunga.
Breath test sir, yes no problem with that.... yada yada yada we're running a fatigue stop here, coffee and donuts over there....
He was looking a bit sad to start with and then even more lost when I said you've got to be joking mate, only just left Napier (74km) see you later I'm gone.
At least the mobile chase unit didn't mind me cranking up the hill towards there about 1km earlier with my knee just about on the deck....

But any way as I get closer to Wairoa I encounter several unusual streams of traffic that doesn't fit the pattern for this road even in holiday times. I reckoned they were caused by the fatigue stop and once on lemming decided it was time to leave everyone else left at same time. But each group had a slow driver at front and everyone seemed switched off from overtaking mode but were drawn into the group convoy tailgating mode.
Which makes it difficult for someone such as me catching up to effect a safe over take to get ahead of the club 80k lemming society...
Now the cops crow on about slow drivers holding people up but there their own checkpoints creating same conditions. And this on a road that transit is spending big bucks on to expand overtaking chances.
Thoughts....

I think you are drawing a long bow there dude. I think everyone has caught up with the slow driver and been held up like you rather than having put up with following the slow driver from leaving the fatigue stop. Once they do get past the first slow driver they eventually catch up with the next and the same happens again. Eventually frustration gets to someone and bad stuff happens, not all of it on the road. If they aren't in a hurry, why cant they just pull off the road every quarter hour and let the traffic flow?

[husaberg]

I think you are drawing a long bow there dude. I think everyone has caught up with the slow driver and been held up like you rather than having put up with following the slow driver from leaving the fatigue stop. Once they do get past the first slow driver they eventually catch up with the next and the same happens again. Eventually frustration gets to someone and bad stuff happens, not all of it on the road. If they aren't in a hurry, why cant they just pull off the road every quarter hour and let the traffic flow?

The reason they can't pull over and let people pass or at least slow down and indicate that others can pass? is that they are totally oblivious to the situation, which begs the question
Do they use their mirrors and how much do they take in.
I remember they used to sell the anti frustration devises that made noise effects, so one could launch missile and machine gun attacks on the frustrating drivers, maybe the police should hand out some of those at the traffic stops it would likely be great PR and wouldn't cost bugger all.

[Ocean1]

I remember they used to sell the anti frustration devises that made noise effects, so one could launch missile and machine gun attacks on the frustrating drivers, maybe the police should hand out some of those at the traffic stops it would likely be great PR and wouldn't cost bugger all.

A most excellent scheme.

On a similar note; what ever happened to those things that plugged into your stereo and made noises like your corolla was a Maserati / Lotus / Ferrari / Mustang?