Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

**Edbear** · 29th December 2014, 20:22

Originally Posted by cassina

You would possibly need to overtake in a car 3L or more to understand where I am coming from then as I have owned a 1500cc Toyota and have driven a Comodore and Falcon for comparison.

It's all relative. I have spent most of my life driving lower powered cars and enjoy getting the best out of them. My 2.4lt Kizashi has good power for overtaking and you don't need a lot of room, but our old 3.5lt Honda Legend was a monster motor by comparison and then you get to a whole nother world in my mates Commodore HSV ute with something over 320 kw.

**R650R** · 29th December 2014, 21:47

Originally Posted by cassina

You would possibly need to overtake in a car 3L or more to understand where I am coming from then as I have owned a 1500cc Toyota and have driven a Comodore and Falcon for comparison.

Your missing the point. Caspers driven the all the big gear and no doubt had a play in a fast car or two at some stage like most professional drivers. When he says driver input he's talking about the whole plan of attack for an overtake.
My current wagon is a 200kw 3.5L but I don't NEED that for overtaking, its just convenient at times.
All that's needed for overtaking is a suitable speed differential for the available real estate, 15-20km/f difference is plenty to get the job done eg 110k passing slow vehicle doing 90k.
But you plan ahead and visualize where its going to happen and roll on to that speed so your on it as the passing lane starts.
If you do this you'll get the jump on those numptys that naturally speed up due to them subconsciously feeling safer on the wider road.

Even the mighty DR650 with its whopping 45hp catches a few people napping with the above technique, the look on peoples faces when they see a farm bike passing them, priceless

**SPman** · 30th December 2014, 00:35

When it comes to overtaking, I usually use the slingshot effect - knowing where you can overtake and being prepared for it - coming up to the area, accelerating before I actually get there, and, if it's clear, flicking out, zipping past and pulling in before numpty in car ahead knows what's going on!

On a bike....well...it could get interesting, especially on a 1000 sports bike when I flicked down a gear or 2, as on the 750! 200kph passes don't take long........

**R650R** · 30th December 2014, 07:29

Originally Posted by cassina

But are you not going to spend a lot longer over the other side of the road if you limit your passing speed to 15 - 20 km over? That may be fine for remote roads like the McKenzie Country but I would consider it dangerous anywhere else. I am well aware my non restricted speed approach risks a bigger fine but on the other hand there is less of a chance of a head on and I know which one I would prefer.

An overtake is either safe or not, eg its on or you abort before it starts. The speed you choose to do it at is irrelevant to what we're talking about here which is that with a bit of momentum, planning a small speed differential is easily obtained and all you need to get past. A truck is about 20m, at 20km/h it takes very little time to ride that short distance.
A lower speed differential gives you the opportunity to pull back in too, blasting past with horsepower and big speed gives you no option of something happens ahead (which it does from time to time) like a vehicle turning left out of driveway or side road towards you...

**chasio** · 30th December 2014, 07:39

Originally Posted by scumdog

The mans a twat - a moaning old lady of a twat who should pick better roads/time to cycle.

He's expecting a lot of give from traffic in hectic crowded situations.

And did he get out a ruler to see if those cops were under the recommended distance from him as they passed - oh, after all the bagging of cops (for whatever reason) did he ever go to them to complain about their driving and the driving of others around him? - or is he just a whinger?

I tend to agree he's a moany twat with an axe to grind. Numerous times he could have ridden more defensively (why sprint off to get in front of a bus that has a clear road ahead, for example? And there were others.) The cop car whinge was just plain daft.

But for balance I also saw numerous instances where there was absolutely loads of road for the drivers to use to give him plenty of space, yet they still gave him very little clearance. Maybe through ignorance or not giving a shit or (and believe me this happens) to scare the crap out of the rider deliberately. Of course what we don't get to see is the previous few minutes where he may well have been less than stellar himself.

But there was no excuse for the pricks who passed him and turned left across him. That was just plain dick driving.

I used to pushy around Auckland all the time but don't any more. Had plenty of that shit and cameras sitting at home doing nothing but never felt the need to record anyone.

I found that changing my attitude had the best effect on my day. In fact that's true about pretty much every vexing situation, is it not?

**haydes55** · 30th December 2014, 07:40

Death toll update...... 7 dead and not a single crash has been attributed to speed even being a factor....

The holiday period has almost a week to go and it's already equalled last years holiday period.... So focussing on speed has no positive effect on the road toll? Funny that. Notice a few fatalities happened in car Vs truck accidents. The only way a driver could not notice a truck is if they weren't paying attention to the road, or were asleep.

Can we class these road deaths as suicide?

**TheDemonLord** · 30th December 2014, 07:43

Originally Posted by haydes55

Death toll update...... 7 dead and not a single crash has been attributed to speed even being a factor....

The holiday period has almost a week to go and it's already equalled last years holiday period.... So focussing on speed has no positive effect on the road toll? Funny that. Notice a few fatalities happened in car Vs truck accidents. The only way a driver could not notice a truck is if they weren't paying attention to the road, or were asleep.

Can we class these road deaths as suicide?

Were the trucks wearing Hi-Viz?

**pritch** · 30th December 2014, 07:46

Originally Posted by R650R

any Subaru says 'boyracer' whether it is one or not and people will show you less respect...

Many Subarus are not particularly obvious as to brand, mine has no spoilers or other "boy racer" paraphernalia, realistically most other road users probably wouldn't be aware what make it was. Anyway I'm a bit long in the tooth to be a boy racer. The car has good acceleration for overtaking which is nice, not as good as the bike though. I'm another who doesn't like to spend more time on the wrong side of the road than necessary.

**Berries** · 30th December 2014, 07:54

Originally Posted by haydes55

Can we class these road deaths as suicide?

Of course you can, as long as you lump all motorbike fatalities as suicide as well, for riding those two wheeled death traps.

**Scuba_Steve** · 30th December 2014, 08:32

Originally Posted by haydes55

Death toll update...... 7 dead and not a single crash has been attributed to speed even being a factor....

The holiday period has almost a week to go and it's already equalled last years holiday period.... So focussing on speed has no positive effect on the road toll? Funny that. Notice a few fatalities happened in car Vs truck accidents. The only way a driver could not notice a truck is if they weren't paying attention to the road, or were asleep.

Probably watching their speedo... you know, for "safety"

Originally Posted by Berries

Of course you can, as long as you lump all motorbike fatalities as suicide as well, for riding those two wheeled death traps.

Bloody things should be banned! Dangerous they are.

**GrayWolf** · 30th December 2014, 09:33

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Probably watching their speedo... you know, for "safety"

Bloody things should be banned! Dangerous they are.

Nah the bikes are perfectly safe, just ban PEOPLE from using cars, bikes and trucks... instant road toll fix!!!!
and as an added benifit? More Popo available to do 'real' police work!!

**roogazza** · 30th December 2014, 09:52

Originally Posted by haydes55

Death toll update...... 7 dead and not a single crash has been attributed to speed even being a factor....
The holiday period has almost a week to go and it's already equalled last years holiday period.... So focussing on speed has no positive effect on the road toll? Funny that.

I've been waiting for the News Media to report on this road toll.
Will we hear some common sense that we are humans and make fuckups and sometimes we die.
Enough of this 'speed kills' please.
When passing I want to get by as fast as I can and back onto my side. Speedo gazing must not be brought into it !

**rastuscat** · 30th December 2014, 10:44

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Probably watching their speedo... you know, for "safety"

A bloke pulls over to the side of the road, prior to doing a U-Turn. He then U-Turns into the path of an oncoming truck.

Actual crash. It happened a couple of weeks back South of CHristchurch.

Skoober, was the driver fixated by his speedo? I mean, really?

Speedo fixation is likely to feature in very few crashes, and those will be had by the numpties incapable of correctly judging the speed they are travelling at.

**Scuba_Steve** · 30th December 2014, 10:48

Originally Posted by rastuscat

A bloke pulls over to the side of the road, prior to doing a U-Turn. He then U-Turns into the path of an oncoming truck.

Actual crash. It happened a couple of weeks back South of CHristchurch.

Skoober, was the driver fixated by his speedo? I mean, really?

Speedo fixation is likely to feature in very few crashes, and those will be had by the numpties incapable of correctly judging the speed they are travelling at.

Was it a cop??? I hear they're good at doing that