Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[FJRider]

if you bothered to read the stats you wouldn't be asking silly questions that are answered in the stats.

My apologies ... I missed the statistics on unreported accidents ... have you got a link ... ??

[Swoop]

Rear view mirrors are for pussies ... what is behind is NOT important.

Have you been watching old movies again? That line is from "the Gumball Rally".

[husaberg]

My apologies ... I missed the statistics on unreported accidents ... have you got a link ... ??

How about you dont read the report then ignore the contents and claim you know better based on shit you pulled out of your behind.
oh whoops thats what you did anyway.
Its like katman has hacked your computer.

[rastuscat]

The years road toll is a very blunt instrument if you want a true picture of general road safety

A few figures from MOT govt site:

light motor vehicles on road.

2000 2.5 million
2010 3.1 million
2017 3.8 million

km travelled by light vehicle fleet

2000 3.6 billion
2010 4.0 billion
2017 4.8 billion


So comparing total years road toll without taking anything else into consideration makes no sense.
MOT figures show year on year less deaths per km driven but I spose thst doesn't sell newspapers
or provide the govt with a stick to beat the motorists with.

VKT matters. A lot.

[rastuscat]

As I recall ... non injury accidents are required by law to be reported within seven days (injury accidents within 24 hours) ... did you report ALL yours .. on or off the road .. ???

Accidents cannot be recorded if they're not reported.

If not reported ... reported figures cannot be correct.

Important point, that one.

As long as the figures are gathered consistently, it forms a trend. I.e. as long as 70% of crashes are reported each year the absolute number will either show an upward trend or downward trend.

The total number doesn't matter, as we will never gather 100%. It's the trends that matter.

[FJRider]

Important point, that one.

As long as the figures are gathered consistently, it forms a trend. I.e. as long as 70% of crashes are reported each year the absolute number will either show an upward trend or downward trend.

The total number doesn't matter, as we will never gather 100%. It's the trends that matter.

Thus ... nobody should ever claim statistics are accurate. Just (at best) ... might indicate a trend.

"Statistics Means Never Having to Say You're Certain."

I recall knowing of a cop in Wellington that crashed his own bike (duly reported). Took it to a Bike shop for repairs ... bike shop said "you're the sixth this week" ... NO others were reported ...

[rastuscat]

Thus ... nobody should ever claim statistics are accurate. Just (at best) ... might indicate a trend.

"Statistics Means Never Having to Say You're Certain."

I recall knowing of a cop in Wellington that crashed his own bike (duly reported). Took it to a Bike shop for repairs ... bike shop said "you're the sixth this week" ... NO others were reported ...

That's the biggest problem. How the stats are gathered is faulty, but it's all we have.

The problem is really when people quote the stats as absolute truth. I hear it most days at work. Especially elected officials who know bugger all but who love quoting stats at me. When I know better.

[Berries]

As I recall ... non injury accidents are required by law to be reported within seven days.

Nah. In fact TPTB would probably prefer it if you didn't bother. One sided self reported crashes are mostly useless, you'd only do it for insurance purposes.

The problem is really when people quote the stats as absolute truth. I hear it most days at work. Especially elected officials who know bugger all but who love quoting stats at me. When I know better.

38.5 percent of people would disagree.

[FJRider]

That's the biggest problem. How the stats are gathered is faulty, but it's all we have.

The problem is really when people quote the stats as absolute truth. I hear it most days at work. Especially elected officials who know bugger all but who love quoting stats at me. When I know better.

SLIGHT correction ... Really ... it's all "THEY" have ... and I have argued that stat's are stated to prove the required "point".

Who gathers the stat's ... and which stat's they use for their own agenda to prove their point ... is always interesting. Sometimes even amusing. Especially if the numbers don't even add up. The next bunch of stat's you get ... get the calculator out and see for yourself.

The reply from the believers in "facts" revealed in the statistics ... that "Numbers don't lie". You don't need to be a mathematician (or an accountant) to know ... used in the right (or wrong ??) context ... numbers indeed can and do lie ...

[Murray]

To claim insurance do you not have to give details of the accident? Maybe more information could be got here?

[FJRider]

Nah. In fact TPTB would probably prefer it if you didn't bother. One sided self reported crashes are mostly useless, you'd only do it for insurance purposes.

They would prefer that I didn't to make their stat's look more factual. The one's reported are usually the one's that can't drive away from the accident

38.5 percent of people would disagree.

So ... are stat's actually believable ... and most will state a margin of error. And that is a (highly ??) educated guess ...

[FJRider]

To claim insurance do you not have to give details of the accident? Maybe more information could be got here?

But in reality ... do the one's with no insurance ... (or) no WOF ... (or) no rego ... and (or) no drivers license want to hang around an accident site ... ??? Or ... want to report their road accident to officialdom ... ???

Especially if they can explain any injuries caused ... another way ...

[Berries]

They would prefer that I didn't to make their stat's look more factual.

Nah, that's probably due to all the capitals, brackets, bolds, italics and full stops you can throw in to a sentence.

[FJRider]

To claim insurance do you not have to give details of the accident? Maybe more information could be got here?

Aside from the privacy point of view with conditions/details of the policy's held by some vehicle owners ... a very large number of vehicles legally on the roads of NZ are uninsured.

Legislation already requires accidents to be reported. What needs to change ... the attitudes or the penalty's for not doing so ... ?? will the world end if no changes are made ... ??

[Hoonicorn]

When people are fined, does that stop them speeding again? I mean really, the disincentive was always there - don't speed or you may get a fine. When they get a fine, do they suddenly realise "hey this actually happens, I better drive safer from now on." or do they continue, maybe using apps that report speed cameras or radar detectors so they can still speed but avoid further fines.

TLDR; Does a fine stop re-offending.